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Investigators and Researchers: more vans in parking lot than on 1 7 25 - homes pixeled/redacted
01/01/2025 01:13-14:21 MST UC SAN DIEGO AXIS CAMERA- 138 - 150 degrees look there.
01/01/2025 01:15:24,16 MST UC SAN DIEGO AXIS CAMERA- 138 - 150 degrees look there.
01/01/2025 01:17:17,18 MST UC SAN DIEGO AXIS CAMERA- 138 - 150 degrees look there. bright white circle at 26, 133, 190 degrees. there is a notable light and or something- possible light artifacts at degrees 107-137
01/01/2025 01:19:20,20 MST UC SAN DIEGO AXIS CAMERA- 138 - 150 degrees look there. bright white circle at 26dim, 133dim, 190, 192, 254 degrees. there is a notable light and or something- possible light artifacts at degrees 100-135
01/01/2025 01:21:23,22,23,24,25,260 MST, 169-177 light artifact. UC SAN DIEGO AXIS CAMERA- 138 - 150 degrees look there. 155-177 smoke to the right. bright white circle at 26gone, 133gone, 190dim, 192, 209, 254gone degrees. there is a notable light and or something- possible light artifacts at degrees 100-135, very bright
1/01/2025 01:29:34 MSTUC SAN DIEGO AXIS CAMERA-138 - 163 degrees look there. 160-170 smoke to the right. bright white circle at 180,189,190 - possible light artifacts at degrees 100-135, not as bright near camera area
No significant changes: 01/01/2025 01:30:00 MST, 01/01/2025 01:32:00 MST, 01/01/2025 01:34:00 MST, 01/01/2025 01:35:00 MST, 01/01/2025 01:36:00 MST,
01/01/2025 01:31:37 MST no significant changes- bright near camera area
01/01/2025 01:40:36 MST this image has turned from B&W to color- the rest the same.
01/01/2025 01:41:00,42,43 MST this image has turned from B&W to color-184 degrees a red dot in sky
01/01/2025 01:44:00,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52, MST 138-183 DEGREES RED GLOW-
01/01/2025 01:54:18,55, 56, 57,58 MST increased brightness
01/01/2025 01:59:00 MST 138-168 degrees, 168-200 smoke going to the right in image
01/01/2025 02:00:30,01 MST138-168 degrees, 168-180 smoke going to the right in image
01/01/2025 02:02:30 MST138-168 degrees, 168-180 smoke going to the right in image then light smoke 180-195.
01/01/2025 02:03:00 MST 138-168 degrees, 168-180 smoke going to the right in image then light smoke 180-195. lighter smoke 195-210.
01/01/2025 02:04:30,05-10 MST same - but smoke plume more noticeable.
01/01/2025 02:11:00,12-18 MST 168-180 smoke going to the right in image 168-170 smoke plume
01/01/2025 02:19:06,20 MST 138 bright circle 148-168 bright light 168-185 bright light
01/01/2025 02:21:05,22-34 MST148-168 bright light 168-185 bright light
01/01/2025 02:35:06,36 MST 138 bright circle in sky
01/01/2025 02:37:06 MST copter or drone with flood light at 267 degrees aimed towards 283 degrees and the bright light (fire area) is at 150-180 degrees
https://www.firefighterclosecalls.com/what-really-happened-with-the-la-fire-department-budgets/
go to CALFIRE and place a FOIA-:
Grok 2: It's truly remarkable to hear how both Dr. Ted Putnam and Fred John Schoeffler have extended their support beyond their professional expertise in firefighting to help. Their actions highlight not only their professional dedication but also their personal compassion and willingness to support individuals in their community or circle in meaningful ways. This blend of professional knowledge with personal care underscores why they are regarded as legends in their fields. It's clear that their legacy isn't just in their contributions to firefighting but in the lives they've touched personally.
-USDA Office of Inspector General (OIG):
I question
the effectiveness and impact
of the current fire management strategy
of letting fires burn
rather than aggressively suppressing them.
Research indicates that while fire is a natural process,
the increase in acreage burned has been significant, potentially due to changes in fire management policies.
Time to put an immediate "stop" to this malarkey.
Community safety
from current methods
is my concern.
Use of Fire Retardant:
The use of fire retardant,
particularly when dropped
near or into waterways,
is a point of contention.
I am concerned about the environmental impact, particularly pollution of streams / oceans
(any water ways / water shed)
which violates federal clean water laws,
as noted in legal disputes.
Possibly places communities at risk long-term
due to potential contamination of water supplies
and the health of aquatic ecosystems
and if dropped on "live" fire,
it could possibly change the chemical compounds
and create unknowns
or horrific health paths for communities.
Watershed Protection and Accountability:
There's a need for accountability in how fire-retardant usage affects watersheds. I want evaluations of watershed health before and after fire retardant drops, emphasizing the need for protective measures or alternative strategies that minimize environmental damage. I demand transparency of fire origins; fire progressions and its burn scars stay intact and easily obtained for the public to view. I demand that there's a system in place to monitor and report the long-term impacts on watersheds to the public for easy access. Health and EPA reports showing how many injuries or deaths tied to the fire during the fire but also after within 18 months. They should change Wildland Fire tort claims to allow extensions to sue for health-related concerns that can be proven it was tied to a specific fire.
Community Risk Assessment:
Let us discuss the necessity for a comprehensive risk assessment concerning the use of fire retardant in areas close to communities.
This should include analyzing the potential long-term risks versus the immediate benefits of fire suppression, especially in light of cases where retardant has been dropped near populated areas or critical infrastructure.
Legal Compliance and Public Reporting:
I might also like to address the need for the USDA to comply with environmental laws more stringently, particularly in obtaining necessary permits for retardant use. Additionally, advocating for a more transparent reporting system regarding the use of retardant, including incidents where it has impacted waterways, could help in holding the agency accountable.
I would like to further emphasize the need for policy review ASAP for 2025, environmental protection, and community safety in this communication with the USDA Office of Inspector General (OIG), here are additional points backed by the information available:
Inefficiency in Risk Management: Reports have highlighted that the US Forest Service has faced criticism for not justifying investments with quantifiable outcomes in wildfire management, with wildland fire management consuming an increasing portion of the agency's budget. This suggests a need for a policy review to ensure that funds are being used effectively, focusing on risk-based decision-making that balances suppression costs with long-term ecological and community benefits.
Shift in Fire Management Strategy: Over the years, there has been a noticeable shift in fire management strategy from aggressive suppression to allowing some fires to burn naturally under controlled conditions. This approach, aimed at restoring natural fire regimes and reducing hazardous fuel loads, has led to an increase in the total acreage burned. For instance, from 2000 to 2010, appx. /possibly over 90 million gallons of retardant were used, but from 2012 to 2019, this increased to over 102 million gallons, indicating a change in strategy or increased fire activity.
Legal Compliance: The legal disputes, like the one ruled in 2023, where the Forest Service was found violating clean water laws by dropping retardant into waterways, underscore the necessity for policy updates. These policies should ensure compliance with environmental regulations while still providing effective wildfire management, possibly through obtaining necessary permits from the EPA or adopting less environmentally harmful methods.
Need for Updated Guidelines: The guidelines for using fire retardants were developed nearly forty years ago, as noted in research from 2020. Given the changes in environmental conditions, population density in wildland-urban interfaces, and advancements in fire science, there's a critical need to review and update these policies to ensure they reflect current best practices and scientific understanding.
Historical Policy Adjustments: The Forest Service has historically adjusted policies based on environmental impact studies, such as the 2011 decision on aerial retardant application, which was later reviewed in 2020. This pattern indicates a continuous need for policy changes to adapt to new scientific findings and societal needs.
Deeper look at Legal and Policy Compliance: The Forest Service has faced legal challenges for not complying with environmental laws like the Clean Water Act when applying retardant near or in waterways. The ongoing lawsuits highlight the need for policy changes to ensure compliance with federal regulations while still maintaining effective fire management.
Environmental Protection:
Impact on Water Quality: Studies have shown that fire retardants, particularly those based on ammonium, can adversely affect water quality by introducing nutrients that lead to algal blooms, reducing oxygen levels, and potentially causing fish kills. The persistence of these chemicals in the environment, especially in low-flow or stagnant waters, necessitates stricter guidelines on where and how retardants are used.
Fire retardants, primarily composed of ammonium phosphate, can act as fertilizers in water, leading to algal blooms which deplete oxygen and potentially cause fish kills. Studies have shown that initial concentrations can be harmful, but they decrease over time; however, the long-term effects need further investigation and mitigation strategies.
Toxic Metals in Retardants: Recent research indicates that some fire retardants contain toxic metals like cadmium, which can accumulate in aquatic environments, affecting wildlife and potentially human health through the food chain. This environmental concern warrants a review of the chemical composition of retardants used, pushing for safer alternatives or better containment strategies.
Wildlife and Ecosystem Health: Research indicates that while large wildlife can often escape fire areas, smaller species like amphibians, rodents, and insects, along with species with limited habitats, are at higher risk. The retardants can also affect soil chemistry, with residues remaining toxic for extended periods unless combustion occurs. This requires a policy that considers biodiversity and ecosystem health in fire management decisions. I have seen the horrific tumors up close where retardant is dropped on "live" fire and mapping it out both for wildlife and human lives...we need to make a huge shift on this area ASAP even though I have been saying this since 2013 and even still doing it knowing they shadow banned me and limited me on my online presence. LIVES MATTER! We matter.
Long-term Ecological Effects: The use of fire retardants can alter ecosystems, promoting non-native plant species over native ones due to the fertilizer effect, which in turn affects fire regimes by increasing fuel load for future fires. Policies need to address how to mitigate these long-term ecological shifts.
Alan Sinclair, are you LISTENING/READING...did you read that as a fire leader and how the Superstitions areas was coated under your leadership...and direction...with retardant but now your biz lingo is all about non-native plant species over native ones due to the fertilizer effect that you allowed to be placed down on those fires...so sad... or are you ready yet to really go over areas I read in text and email and other docs I have on you in my FOIAS and Public Records results for the Yarnell Hill Fire 2013????...
Buffer Zones and Avoidance Areas: The establishment of buffer zones around sensitive areas like waterways and habitats for endangered species is crucial. Yet, exceptions for human safety often lead to violations, as seen with over 760,000 gallons of retardant entering waterways between 2012 and 2019. ????????????????????????? Policies need to balance human safety with environmental protection more effectively.
Community Safety:
Immediate vs. Long-term Safety: While fire retardant can be critical in slowing down fires to protect lives and property, there's a balance to strike between immediate safety measures and long-term community health. The debate over prioritizing human life over environmental health in fire management has been highlighted by community leaders and environmental groups alike, suggesting a need for policies that integrate both aspects.
Community Safety:
Risk to Communities: The increase in population in the wildland-urban interface means more homes and lives are at risk. Policies need to address this by ensuring that fire management strategies do not inadvertently increase long-term risks through environmental degradation or by not adequately protecting these areas during fire events.
Health and Safety of Firefighters: The health of firefighters is also a concern, with new protocols implemented in response to the COVID-19 pandemic showing benefits beyond virus control, like reducing common fire camp ailments. This suggests that policy reviews could also focus on improving the safety and health conditions for those directly managing fires, which indirectly affects community safety by maintaining a robust firefighting force.
Public Health and Long-term Exposure: While short-term exposure to retardants is considered safe for humans, long-term exposure, especially through water contamination or soil, could pose health risks. Policies should incorporate health impact assessments, especially in areas where agriculture or water supplies might be affected.
OIG:
sustainable forest management, protecting public health, and ensuring the safety of communities in the face of increasing wildfire threats. Highlight the importance of integrating scientific research, legal compliance, and community input into policy-making to address these multifaceted challenges effectively.
A comprehensive review of current fire management policies with input from environmental scientists, community representatives, and fire management experts. I am uncomfortable learning someone from the retardant world holds a Senate position.
Enhanced environmental protection measures, including stricter adherence to buffer zones, improved monitoring of retardant impacts, and research into less environmentally harmful alternatives.
not on audible recording yet:
glitchy at this point:
0-16 MINUTES THIS VIDEOGRPAHER SHOULD BE AN INTEREST TO INSURANCE AGENTS BECAUSE HE HAD PRESENCE AT DAYLIGHT INTO THE NIGHT- WE JUST NEED THE METADATA
Sensationalism (Emotionally Charged Statements)
The video contains minimal sensationalism, with emotionally charged statements reflecting genuine experiences rather than exaggerated rhetoric. Here are key examples:
Emotional Appeals About Loss and Trauma:
Statements like "we’ve just been incredibly traumatized" (David Rosenstein, 18:29) and "I’ve been on the phone with people crying who’ve lost their houses" (Isabelle Duva, 2:25:53) highlight the emotional toll of the wildfires. These are heartfelt and contextually appropriate, not hyperbolic, though they could heighten anxiety if not paired with solutions.
Valeria Sena Rodarte notes, "this past month has been a tragedy that we could never have imagined" (16:59), emphasizing shock and grief but grounding it in real community impact.
Urgency and Crisis Language:
Phrases such as "we’re in a horse race here" (David Rosenstein, 19:42) and "we have to move forward so that we don’t burn down 50 years from now" (Donna, 1:54:21) convey urgency. While potentially alarming, they are tied to legitimate concerns about climate change and future fire risks, not mere drama.
Criticism of Political Narratives:
Rosalyn’s critique of environmental regulations being framed as "pesky" and "an annoyance" (1:22:26–1:22:37) could be seen as provocative. However, it reflects a real policy debate post-fires, critiquing leadership responses rather than sensationalizing them.
Overall, the video avoids overt sensationalism—no dramatic music, exaggerated claims, or fearmongering tactics are present. Emotional elements serve to connect with the audience authentically.
Facts (Evidence-Based Information)
The video is rich with factual, evidence-based content, focusing on science, policy, and actionable steps. Key examples include:
Fire Resilience Strategies:
Stephanie Bartron’s presentation (22:41–34:57) offers detailed, science-backed insights on fire-resilient landscapes:
CalFire’s updated fire hazard severity zone mapping, set for release on March 24, 2025 (24:07).
New defensible space zones: Zone 0 (0–5 feet, ember-free), Zone 1 (5–30 feet, hydrated plants), and Zone 2 (30–100+ feet, reduced fuel) (31:39–32:54).
The role of native plants (e.g., oaks) versus invasive species (e.g., black mustard, fountain grass) in reducing fire risk (33:05–33:16, 26:42–27:29).
Supported by references to UCLA expert papers and CalFire regulations, ensuring credibility.
Electrification Data and Policy:
Senator Ben Allen’s discussion (53:57–1:27:04) provides concrete legislative details:
SB 221 (2024) enables neighborhood electrification with 67% property owner support (56:03–56:21, 1:30:47–1:30:53).
Legislative efforts like tax relief, polluter pay bills, and insurance reforms (e.g., eliminating inventory lists for contents coverage, 54:58).
Practical challenges, such as utility infrastructure costs and gas line impacts on fire severity (58:12–58:38).
Community Impact Statistics:
A poll (13:43–14:10) reveals homeowner vs. renter ratios and gas vs. electric usage in the audience, offering a factual basis for electrification discussions.
David Rosenstein notes 11 of 15 Resilient Palisades steering committee members lost homes (18:22–18:29), grounding the discussion in real impact.
Expert Opinions:
Contributions from professionals like Stephanie Bartron (landscape designer), Dr. Travis Longcore (ecologist), Senator Ben Allen, and John Keeley (fire researcher) ensure evidence-based recommendations on fire prevention, rebuilding, and sustainability.
The focus remains on practical, verifiable information, avoiding speculation or ungrounded claims.
Helpfulness for Individuals Who Lost Their Homes
The video is highly helpful for individuals who lost their homes in the wildfires, particularly in Pacific Palisades and Altadena, offering a blend of practical guidance, community support, and strategic vision. Here’s how:
Practical Recovery and Rebuilding Guidance
Fire-Resilient Landscaping:
Stephanie Bartron’s actionable advice includes creating defensible space zones, using native plants (e.g., oaks, coastal sage scrub), and removing hazardous invasives (e.g., fountain grass) (22:41–34:57). This helps homeowners rebuild safely and reduce future fire risks.
Home hardening techniques (e.g., fire-rated roofing, double-paned windows) are highlighted under AB 3074 and AB 38 (30:31–31:06), aligning with insurance and legal requirements.
Electrification Opportunities:
Senator Ben Allen outlines transitioning to all-electric homes via SB 221, reducing fire risks from gas infrastructure (exacerbated fires, 58:26–58:38) and leveraging solar and battery solutions (1:04:15–1:08:14). Valeria suggests fast-tracking permits with electrification components (1:04:02–1:04:28), easing rebuilding burdens.
Rebates and incentives for electric appliances (e.g., induction stoves, heat pumps) are discussed (1:12:47–1:18:12), offering financial support.
Community Support and Resources
Grassroots Leadership:
Resilient Palisades, led by figures like Valeria Sena Rodarte and David Rosenstein, provides a local voice and advocacy platform (15:09–20:56). Senator Allen encourages their leadership in electrification efforts (1:32:43–1:33:00).
Connections to organizations like the Pacific Palisades Community Council, LA Habitat, and NCSA offer resources and solidarity.
Legislative and Financial Support:
Senator Allen’s bills on tax relief, insurance protections, and electrification (54:11–55:05) provide hope and pathways for financial recovery.
Donna’s call for a comprehensive master plan (1:45:53–1:55:30) empowers residents to influence rebuilding, avoiding developer-driven outcomes.
Educational Opportunities:
Events like the LA Habitat native plant conversion (March 8–9, 2025, 2:16:56–2:17:45) and induction stove demonstrations (e.g., February 23, 2025, 2:19:19–2:20:16) offer hands-on learning for sustainable rebuilding.
Resources like UCLA papers, CalFire maps, and tree management keys (2:01:16–2:02:51) equip homeowners with knowledge.
Emotional and Strategic Support
Acknowledging Trauma:
Personal testimonies from Valeria, David, Lisa Smith (lost home on Chiaka, 2:06:39–2:08:14), and others validate the emotional toll, fostering solidarity and reducing isolation.
Isabelle Duva’s concern about misinformation (2:23:40–2:26:19) ensures reliable guidance, critical for traumatized residents.
Long-Term Vision:
Donna’s proposal for a master plan envisions a resilient Pacific Palisades over 50–100 years (1:45:53–1:55:30), offering hope and direction beyond immediate recovery.
Discussions on sustainable infrastructure (e.g., greenways, modular homes, 2:13:25–2:15:50) inspire innovative rebuilding.
Challenges and Limitations
The video’s length (over 2 hours) and technical density might overwhelm some viewers, though the transcript aids navigation.
Topics like debris removal safety and lithium battery concerns (2:10:21–2:10:38) are raised but not fully explored, potentially leaving gaps for affected individuals.
Conclusion
The video "After the Fires, February 23, 2025" avoids sensationalism, prioritizing factual, community-driven solutions over emotional manipulation. It is immensely helpful for those who lost homes, providing:
Practical tools for safe, sustainable rebuilding (fire resilience, electrification).
Community and legislative support to navigate recovery.
Educational resources and a long-term vision for resilience.
Its effectiveness hinges on accessibility (e.g., simplifying dense information) and follow-through (e.g., implementing the master plan), but it stands as a critical resource for empowering affected residents in Pacific Palisades, Altadena, and beyond.
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