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Video Fourteen:
Transcript
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right now it's about 5:00 afternoon
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November 9th secured and searched people
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have access to fire departments at noon
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on Wednesday I was calling about the information this is the message galore missed a lot of talking about the
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information you need from the fire department about the under foot fire Yarnell Hill Fire some of the
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information they have some I don't you could give us all with insula meaning I
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can give you what I have and if I don't have it I can tell you how to get it
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my number is nine two eight eight I'm nine six four nine nine and this is Bob
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heckling with the people solid fire department thank you it is for 354 and
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today is Thursday today Thursday today's
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Thursday the 10th that's right yeah all right I think right here oh maybe not
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maybe up front [Applause]
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ladies first
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yeah all right hey what we have you
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office it over there some of you this is what you sent me the first one what we
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build on it shows all of the guys okay what they were billed as and we're
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firefighter twos how many hours they were the vehicles are the same thing and
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then we have some support adoption back at this this shows really have two vehicles out there almost the type check
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this songs both fires cuz I'm one in it for both fires doesn't have the information everything for every Church
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okay yeah how do I get that because actually that's the one the first fire is some more here's what you do then
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welded meat let me finish it okay do your animal so this is what we build for
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this break ship bone and it shows all the guys that's tender faces tender evidently it's not be one copy these are
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your Papa check our first meeting I don't charge you for the copy said your
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friend of our time okay this is the first engine our type six which was okay okay there right there
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this is this is a an overview of what we're going for this is the supporting
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documentation for it okay this vehicle went out these days physically the hours
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that we went out these days for this winter browser you can happy okay so
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that is because I told I don't really need the personal records for here some crossing
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that out no stuff this is all yeah it has it yeah I don't that I don't need in
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the other than any other stuff I've talked to state forestry not the red card certification don't get that yeah
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actually I do that state law how do you I can give you a copy of their red card
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that's all you yes yes I want but you all you have to do is edit out there there you do okay there's a card with
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her name on it yeah okay the let me look for my billing on that
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okay anything else you want you have to go to the state really he already did that that's coming tomorrow actually coming
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to 10 so it's today the forced reinstate there is already on the way that one's
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done for the questions that you can't is all the rest of this what is the purpose
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for all this I'm just curious I'm eyes eye witness of both fires and on the first fire I saw people Valley
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coming out of the shrine area by the Blue Ridge when we were up on top of the mountain with the Granite Mountain hotshots we went a different way we
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lived Grand Mountain hotshots one another way they died so I've been investigating and getting all the documented proof to figure out what
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really happened that afternoon and people's valley water tank was one of the ones that was with the blue ridge
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okay neither one of us well in the department then I have no idea where that stuff is they will well actually
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they said I had to come to you guys right now I just talked to this record the leaders and earth of all this
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Burkhart and then they're saying that all archived for this last fire location
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I'm giving you what I have what I'm doing what this meeting is on giving you what I have yeah but on the roasted the
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state for Nia that but they're not giving you the accurate so unstable wait
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a second listen before you say that I don't know who you are I know who Deb is
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and she's telling me information yeah these informations started like here's the thing when it comes to fires
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there's an incident command and they're in charge of so much and then when you get subcontract subcontracted out to
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different fire departments maybe low-floor far away I've been told that I have to go to that local fire department
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for that data I can't go to forestry actually it was forestry anyway no let's keep this I'm
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giving you what I have okay but that you're not fulfilling it though because if your thing you were in here they're
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still archived information from the first fire that shows the personnel and the fire equipment that was on that fire
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should be somewhere on site of the first fire I'm sorry it's all good okay so
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you're saying what here from sir the Tenderfoot fire if we want to get paid
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for it we make out a bill and here's the deal right this is this is a demand in
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Waiting so this is the bill these two things here those other two pages are
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just back up for this don't know the other two pages are back up for this entry right here all right but this is
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again just this is Tenderfoot but the first fire you're saying fire Deb here
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in a second listen the first fire the Yarnell Hill Fire the paperwork is still
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all the same uh-huh I mean different dates and members name and all the people all that but they have that they
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have this done yeah and they're also but I was just going to save you a trip if this is all you need it if you want to
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you're on a little fire to go to them they pull up this is all archived info
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pull it out of their archives and so you get it from them so what I'm going to ask from them is a state form 122 for
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people's Valley okay well the thing is what you need to do these things keep being just anyway the
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format they changed the format every couple years in the yarn-overs three and a half year or almost a half years ago
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okay three years to go you want more information we don't have it here okay
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so they don't have our Bibles here if you want this this is the kind of information I would think you would want
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this puts all your information online does a billing shoot this is a demo to them and say you want this sheet within
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30 or in the whole fire thing you can get it okay because they actually told me I had to go to the local departments
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to get that so then that rule so then that was crop what I was told on that okay so then the all vehicle all vehicle
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and equipment is in here that you guys have on the station right now no I'm
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here number two says all vehicles equipment fire aren't used and their locations on that Tenderfoot fire is
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that India that's it that's the contract that's all you have okay what this is
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this injury right here is backed up with
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[Applause] okay this one piece of paper tells you
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all the people and all the equipment that we're on the fire panic with these two pieces of eight it's a doctor
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complimenting this is this is backup documentation for this injury rate okay
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Jose you you guys don't own a quad then huh we didn't never caught up there no okay this is all them no you guys you
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have to listen what I'm saying this is what we build for if we didn't build for it we don't have it if we didn't build
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for it it wasn't on the fire if it wasn't a fire we're gonna bill for it and this is the bill this right here is
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to build the only built for the Tenderfoot fire you'll have a same thing on the Yarnell Hill Fire you might have
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more vehicles but it'll be listed here and then what this is each one of these
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pieces of paper is for these are to differ truck sure each one of these pieces of paper is for one truck and it backs it
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up it tells you what the date was how many hours what it made what the date
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was how many hours would it made so then on that paper it says type six but doesn't say type 6 on here vitalizer
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okay so that's why I do verses g56 too easy all right so it's just labels
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different it has a comma here this is it look at the license number here in here okay this is a type 2 which
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is a tender t-64 and then that one right
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here though that's the one it pops out that's a type 664 so that would be the
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water mm-hmm I think 54 is known as a type 6 truck the type 5 it's an engine
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type 5 tender tender back to tender
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which I detangle here's what today where I get confused like you have here the
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license number FCS which matches here and as a teeth 64 but then this license
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over here matches here but then it has a 54 it says engine t5 ok ok but then
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right after it it says type 6e 54 so it
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is it the same vehicles what I'm asking ok that's all I need to know on that the license don't believe this is a giveaway
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okay so that's one you know and then um okay so like Dewey mayor Yarnell got
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grants fuel Batemans did you guys get any grants or fuel payments already got
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the dispatch that means any injuries on the Tenderfoot fire no reported got that
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ok and then so I just go over there for the 6:28 you're trying to farming all vehicles used wrong so that's over there
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that's it yes sound good one thing you have to do mm-hmm sign the release thing whatever
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what you're gonna do thanks for saying the bottom every paper
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I got it okay you know loosening over
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he can't hear he is 13% hearing now he
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has Tamela her type six are you married we were the old married couple he's old
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and unmarried yeah no my husband's at work
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you're lucky married man he's like yeah he's lucky though he's the other one
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that was there when the Granite Mountain hotshots when we were with them and then he went the other way we have a chemical
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engineering working on that area about the slurry drops how the chemicals in
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there they what is it nh3 you guys are a little nicer than they are now a part of me because they call it a sure phone you
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are out there well I asked for an fo a form the thing well the thing is that's
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why when you come here what I have you can have coffee uh-huh but I went a little further what
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I don't have this is how you I want you to sign all these - yeah this is this is
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all the information how to go to the state and go to their archives down there because what they're gonna have is
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the same thing as they're gonna have all this different dates different they're gonna have this in this format they're
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gonna have that for you [Applause]
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yeah I'm probably the one that has the most data on both fires is crazy but okay I still don't quite understand who
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I am why why you're doing this nineteen men died and over a hundred
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people died probably more than most a new half of them rim work instructors
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for me in fire school so you still
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haven't told me why though where were the eyewitness we actually saw what really happened that's oh
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absolutely not no that's not what happened the narrative no unfortunately that's too bad they put it out that way
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but in the know we were the hikers when
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you see the pictures of the Granite Mountain hotshots going up the mountain thank you what are the pictures anyway I
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got frontal pictures of them unfortunately someone stole my SD card
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how potentials being active fireline i went to the research it's really funny i went to the fire department before
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hiking out there fire department at Yarnell fire department said everything's under control I so I just
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want to go and assess the thing up there he said okay it never said anything about it went up to the mountain yeah
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and that was on Saturday when again on Sunday morning at 3:30 in the morning so they were that would have been their
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time to say that though if there was a after fire that was you know you're not supposed to be up in that area now on
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the Tenderfoot they drew the boundary lines but not on the Yarnell Hill Fire because I always follow as you can see
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I'm a very document a person and I would get written permission and on every piece of land I write off on but on that
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day nobody yeah anyways fuzzy yarn not even their Marsh when we were
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talking on you and believe that we don't have you don't have Billy which lawyers if you want the rest I have to go to
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them they'll pull it out they'll charge you so eventually the truth
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as I am telling you I'm documenting everything the truth will come out once I get all my ducks in order you think it
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died you know like I said I have a chemical engineer working on that area because as an EMT and the fire chief you
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should understand how many people this is a really a bit know I said him EMT
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and then appointed to chief how many people really has affected health-wise how many people have hard time getting
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up or they worth our dick in the leg have upper respiratory heart problems there's it continues on the attributes
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of you can tell you about the chemical because you has a history in that I'm
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not smart that way but something in with nh3 if you want to elaborate on that
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while I'm writing this but run ammonium
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phosphate or sulfate overrule embers and that's what you're doing you're running
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when you drop that red stuff from an ammonia soft a phosphates and sulfates
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over embers and you're creating so much cyanide but the old retarders they used
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to put cyanide in it which I guess they realized it didn't matter and we have a little Cayenne I do that in it so it's
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not a good healthy thing your retardant comes well all of it comes out of
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integral at this point they buy it from there but we don't know what the secret ingredients are but George anywhere from
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8 to 16 percent of that stuff that's trade secret and your firemen are breathing it but they should know what
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it is but they're not publicly letting them know you know what the secret ingredient
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I don't want to either I'd like to know no would you seven
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Oh what's that one right seven on that
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you wanted initials hey great what I
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don't think you'll find a fireman on this planet system no no I know that
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we're not making money that they should be making yeah unfortunately our first
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responder should be given as a miner back in the 7000 and make it 26 an hour
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contract - you guys are building the same banner of work for $15 an hour on
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the mountain well some are but not you
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guys okay no I know you guys aren't
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dangerous chemicals if you breathe changes okay look okay so you have
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[Applause]
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[Applause]
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well you can if I ask for it I don't need it by law I can I've gotten
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everybody I have the Granite Mountain hotshots in their application so I know I can as they fought me on that okay
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yeah and central Yavapai district well it's funny because they're like what were its $203 to answer for your
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questions I'm like yeah you might want to run that by your lawyer because I honestly I've been doing this for three years now I didn't use you have our
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vehicles that we used any fire hug we didn't use any fire hydrants did they
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were in Yarnell and they builders for it they knew about it so right now are you there
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I already got question three documents
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actually um the number four is a document list of all fire department including quads HOA that ends make know
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just as number four it's all over you know you have vehicles here what number
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four is actually what you have on hand not the fire this is what you have on hand yeah you know you already answered
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that there's no quads that's my main focus is the quads so if you don't have a class and I'm okay with that so that
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the fuel Bateman's you says you didn't have any in this area already got six
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and seven and then you said no injuries and then sorry dropped out he got that answer I got the origin already yeah
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that came from state there's no records and then the other ones archival so yeah
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those are archival I guess so the question is how come it took so long to get a reply back as it seemed
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once I got Simmons involved then all of sudden I got a reply back then I'll just
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say I would but that isn't a good excuse there was nothing personal or you like you've never seen me and never knew
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anything about can we just because it
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seems like that know what this is about yeah and that's why I thought for you I thought it was just a confusion of like what the hell is this that's why I
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really believed when I because I everybody on your fire board I love him so it was like when I was getting to the
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point where people who have not fulfilled the FOS by Arizona state laws I say I have to make it more firmer I
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have to do the protocol I have to do everything by protocol you know so if I don't do my protocol then and I know
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from another we didn't have I was going to don't have the record from the air
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and the whole fire nurse a couple of different reasons why we don't there's a really one thing is I went to check and
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that's why I've got a hold of Forestry they said we have the archives mm-hmm the information that she needs is part
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of our billing okay for part of billing for it just like this yeah you have to
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be so specific with them I mean like here's the thing like on the press kit I asked for everything to do with Granite
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Mountain hotshots the fire department out that their financial and when you're so general like that and not specific
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boy do you get boxes of bigger boxes a like holy crap yeah oh yeah
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everything yeah I know this yeah it was
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just the yeah on people's Valley is the water tank coming out the same time
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balloon Rachel's coming out so that's the word I'm looking for so that one that was running the water tank and the
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only way you can do that cuz you everybody has to be hush-hush about it it's public records so that's why it's
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big piece in a puzzle but you know what's funny when your piece in the puzzle there's like 20 puzzles within
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this puzzle so then it gets complex I'm like well I thought I had it and there opens up another area my gosh and
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then when this fire happened like no Sh please don't give me your eyewitness accounts I really don't want to know it
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and they're never coming to me and like I'm still working on the first one I don't need to think about the second one
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you know that's just I don't so the a lot of this is just gonna be shelf until the time I'm ready to go you
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know what my army man is saying who's here who's here and who's what you know so but even with neither one of us wrong
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but even with all the documents it doesn't matter like all the documents gathering the data the real story is
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really sad it's just like how could that entity do that that's all it's just how
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can they think that's okay so like when I heard the judge in the governor and
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the Attorney General when they're getting ready appeals the state versus homeowners and they got the missing
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judge and I'm like how can that judge be miss and I just heard his name in the springtime and he was working for state
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so how can the judge who works her safe make a decision state versus homeowners you know but people are common wouldn't
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even know that but because I'm investigating you start to learn you know who's who and everything and if
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that's where it's kind of fishy that's way above I know that we are not the
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point we have to take I've been a part of all the ants that have come out all
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the information they do what I'm doing
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no I know you never say may or may not our case to have a certain amount of faith in the brush don't want people in
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the fire the fire service you're a mistake and so what you buy people
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literally the problem is the bigger the antidote but and I need to look at the source and the perception of that
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person's you know until the day we should after wrap and when when I got this request from you I had no
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who you were when's it gonna be done right okay what I can what I can supply
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supply you it's very limited yeah like I told you the personnel records I didn't care about your guys in the area and
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salaries and stuff like that just like Congress I don't care about that or even doing mayor my concern was because of
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the rumors of people saying how chief and got his position then I have to do
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the public records that's you have to follow a paper trail to lead up to that so yeah so that's why me and that's why
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I wrote it to everybody personal you
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just got to remember you got to protect your brother next to you when you're on the fire line I didn't mean protect that
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way I meant let you know like what happened here you're out there we were out there and we had no radios no
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nothing the cell phones weren't working in certain times of the day so I mean we had no way to you know except for
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getting out of there you know what I'm saying so you they did have radios and things cellphones and all that stuff so
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he was the one that said let's get the hell out of here so if you were part of the report then you have to know who we
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are because we're poor nobody said you you read all the reports on the fire
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there's a lot of names in the report it would be hard not to forget the hikers that were with the granite little
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hotshot but did you know that I interacted and he interacted with Eric
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Marsh on a few different occasions before the passing of that I mean that's not in the report but there's and it's
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so interesting is like anybody we've hiked dr. Ted Putman who's a fire investigator we've hiked a CI a
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different different people than the firefighting industry and if you really go and take a hike with us it's pure
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it's not what we want you to know it's exactly what happened that day and you learn and then you go huh you know like
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what's the heck because what we saw we saw everything it was like being on the rooftop of watching the action below you
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know cuz we were right there on the mountaintop so we watched I watched Blue Ridge I saw Blue Ridge come up
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mark and the crew drop down I told you if you go down in that place and you're going to die that's 45 minutes to an
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hour before they went down there okay well I'll tell you something butter Noel knew him well there three classes
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from one was fire behavior one was weather and one was how what their effects fire
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behavior he was brilliant yeah I don't know what happened out there no one's ever gonna know what half of this
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is but actually there is there's data sorry yeah no it's not speculation there's actually DAC document of data
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that will prove what happened out there it's just say I have to get everything in order yeah it's gonna be amazing once
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you find it out it's gonna make sense because if you go up there now or if you do a staff right it's not even gonna
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make sense but if you actually look at all the data yeah I killed because like
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a lot of things you know gonna be on the list of the people that get it mm-hmm
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and so and I would hope that you put me on there the I'm interested in what happened but
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right now what I'm told makes sense to me so I believe it and it's being told
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to me by people that I know and so that they have credibility I'm not saying
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that you don't but I got the documents of people okay I know but see the thing is what you need to do is to gain more
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credibility is to start releasing stuff maybe you can tell me because if you
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don't have all your ducks in order the people that are against you are gonna shoot you down real fast and that's what
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we can I used to know is that true yeah you really lose a process no it wasn't
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right now it's still a process and the final result and if it changes my mind it'll change my mind but right now the
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stuff I'm being told makes sense that it's being told of ego by people whose value I mean a opinion I value and so so
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that's where I'm at right now if you come up with something different find it if I can help you come up with seven different place carry you downtown to
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Phoenix to pick your sucker stuff the archival info good
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but anyway right now it's not that I'm against yet but that's just it's pretty
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much 50/50 it's how is is like we might we've we've met with a lot of retired or current firefighters and then they can't
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be nay or say because they're in the industry first of all and but they are very much looking for chief because
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right now it's just a storm right now what you have to keep in mind then right now are the face of our department we
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have a board which it's a governing board and it's a governing board in a certain extent but right now if we come
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out and say something like you can't then and Bob said although reports of craft and no you have to have proven you
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can't yeah yeah yeah you have to have this to present that you can't just come
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out and make a theory or furniture yeah don't know it so that's all where you have the information I can give you
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what else do you need I can give you know I'm pretty good I my main concern
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is that waterfowl are coming out and then the ATV because just gonna I have
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no idea all the gender that came out no idea at all yeah and so we don't never
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have all right I mean I've been within 15 years and so and so Eric Marsh on the
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topic of that and how you been around him and know him and stuff we agreed the that's actually he's one of the core
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reasons why we continue on because a lot of blame was made on to these men of
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making the long decision and if you know the whole data then it changed the whole party the thing is they had several to
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it you know yeah but then that's also speculation it would appear that they
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had several choices they made a choice at the inside it was a wrong choice or however you wanted wrongs kind of a
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strong word but what I'm saying is that I've kept three classes at the Fire
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Academy over over three getting worked with them also brilliant man brilliant
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man and people say well he's stupid for doing what he did we don't know why he did what
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your theories happen to know this yeah and your theories have people talk trash and stuff like that but I've got all the
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data on those men I mean from applications to before they were Granite Mountain hotshots to after their Grenaa
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I have all the data and all these people are trash these men it's not right not
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just a not not in that honor you know like not I'm saying as a human factor it's not right well thank you that's
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what I'm doing I'm only coming up with the big fracture dude did you tell the best story you can
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the most honest report you can I'm just gonna show them right yes and all these chimps are gonna be all over the ground
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and then you have to deal with them it's like the reports that that that have come out they said this was done this
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was done this was done so you look at you okay well there's been a couple
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things said about it Chris was slapped and all that it's like okay well here's
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the thing on it for me if you have an incident like this and this is just about as bad as you're ever going to
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have to write a report about it and you come out and you say everybody did
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exactly what they're supposed to have done every everybody did everything perfectly
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somehow they died well I mean they you know something bad happened but how do we if everybody did the right thing how
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do we keep it from happening again that's my thing thank you that's what I'm doing and so and that's actually I'm
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not gonna write a report what I'm gonna do is give all the public information that at once and Dropbox account and that anybody at
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anytime can go there publicly assess it themselves I'm not you know if you say so myself now I've been involved and
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this is this was a rumor inside know that that's fine we haven't said anything that works we never said
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anything I haven't said anything oh [ __ ]
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no [ __ ] all right and so and I won't and so he made an important question and that should be
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discussed and it hasn't happened and he is 100% right how come what who are you
35:17
what credentials did you have to be on the mountain that day well sure that's a great question yeah well here there's
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another thing you could have been trapped up there you could have been out for a hike and you could been trapped up
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there you could have been out thinking about this is what I'm thinking and I was communication because communication
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in that area is spotty and sometimes a lot of times communication we have that
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here we have some spotty areas yeah well it is spotty out there atmospheric and so depending on and so you could my
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thing was when I saw the pictures and I heard about the hikers having contact
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with the misstating I'm thinking first of all and thinking what are they doing up there second of all I'm going okay
35:59
well maybe they're out for a hike and hopefully they're just not looking loose out there looking for us maybe though I'm kind of it's not like
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I'm giving them new hikers the benefit of the doubt is like okay well let's see
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next one her regular hi there might be
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somebody trapped up in there too ok so they hated to war yeah there's more people I want to see that is really
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risky and yeah we have that all the time yeah on fires like there's people going
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well by God I can go we had we had a couple people that wanted to go up there
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with backpack sprayers 5-gallon but yeah I'm sure you are yeah and put the fire out in the middle
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of the night in the middle of the night hike to the top in the middle and I put this fire out they'd have been dead we would have had
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a fatality or fatalities but the thing is you have to be careful about doing that we have people you'll have a house
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in danger we'll build houses out the urban interface they call it which is just
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what that means is purged of nothingness its although we have a lot of it around here people go out and go I'm going to
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go out there and try to save that guy's house well then we have a rescue thing going or the guy goes into Arizona you
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don't have to leave someone says okay well you have nothing but brusher on your house you built it out here because you're stupid and so I'll just there's a
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fire in there in the conscience that you need to leave I'm gonna stay here and save my house they had the same thing
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down south a little flooding this is well the water is only up to the doorknob I'm not I'm not leaving mm-hmm
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okay well now it's up to the eve of the house and they're sitting on the roof when you said would you reckon you know how about a couple people in danger to
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cut because I didn't believe you the first time never happens out here all the time well that's why you can't go out there
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on your own thinking I'm really smart I know where although that's not actually sunny you're not filming all the blanks
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so on Saturday when I went to the arnelle fire department in the afternoon at all yeah I was a black hair answered
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the door and I said there's a few prospectors that usually stay out in the Stanton area they stay up in that area
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because it's a little cooler elevation are you guys good oh they'll see the fire well I'm the desert Walker I've
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hiked this for almost 20 years at the time I said how can they I've been doing
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it since the 70s actually well yes yep
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they're gonna ship it yeah he said they're gonna they're gonna see the fire anyways and I it's not true and if
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you're ever up in those mountains there's a lot of bull Duras ridges that you cannot see it so a creek support
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knackery can confirm that he had people on this property up there and his he lost us a you know stuff up there and
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going over the hill a little bit more there's prospectors that are usually in stand that were up there have we not
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been up there they'd be dead today okay they wouldn't even know it because the fire was way over there we were on
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top of the mountain and we chose to what's funny the Memorial Park is our
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hike it has nothing to do with the Granite Mountain hotshots and that's the guys above saying thank you for all your work because and that's how I look at it
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because not one part of that is the Grand Mountain hotshot except the very
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end the rest of it is the way we went out there just so you know next time and
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it's not a matter if it's just one we have a fire in people's Valley and up to
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us and say I need to go out and save some people I'm gonna tell you all they know he'll know get out of here mm-hmm because going up the side here's
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my and here's the way I look at it you have to save somebody that may or may not be there but you are Europe Europe
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I'm an avid hiker up there so okay well no that's fine yeah but see you're a positive there I mean we know you're up
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there learning and so now we have to worry about you if the people up there but if they were worried yeah but if
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they were worried yeah but if they were worried Eric March would have been not cordial he was cordial the whole time
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well she okay wait a second I'm gonna worry about the things that I know right
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I'm not gonna worry about someone that may or might not be up there maybe you know but never hands up there maybe he's
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not up there but if you're going up to hike up hike up there to find somebody I know you're there and I have to worry
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about you and then you cover it so and you know the difference and so I'm gonna
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tell you no you cannot go up there if you go up there I'll have you arrested so I don't understand what it but then
40:28
yeah I know but here's the thing you play okay you can't go by our department before even go in that very
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thing yeah yeah it's okay they've got never seen Noah voiceover I don't know
40:41
what his reason was for making that decision it's like like second guessing stuff at halftime you make the best
40:47
decision you don't look back three years later what happened I don't know why he
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did that but I'm just telling you what I don't know why they didn't bother to go up and put it out in the first place well
40:57
that's another whole another yeah I mean there's a lot of things are strange
41:02
about that okay well yeah we just rest assured though if you come here looking for you'll be talking to bender I and he
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and I are well been palm wasn't there at the time of the Yarnell fire is part of the fire department and so he was on a
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Mt what Nina doing yeah well the thing is liver who ever told you he had a
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reason for telling you and I don't know what it was but I'm telling you if we have a fire here and you come up looking
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for some look for somebody and my interviews later I learned that the guy said that because there was business
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going on inside and he just wanted me out of there so that's why he was just like yeah everything's under control
41:42
so he his perception of saying everything's under control you're okay he didn't really think I was gonna go
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out there do you follow he didn't know who I was yeah he didn't know it was gonna be okay we'll see that's good and
41:57
fine but just so you know I don't know what the rules are down there and why
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the guy did what he did but I'll tell you what will happen here that's all yeah no oh yeah we learned on the
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Tenderfoot fire there's boundaries now like if you go across the boundaries like he just made that comment it's now
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firmer but back then it wasn't like that oh we don't we don't care if you know if we have a fire line and we've told you
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not to cross it you cross it then you're gonna be bailing yourself out of jail now and so for real for real and so in
42:27
the sheriff is here important is because of the Yarnell Hill Fire I mean I mean
42:34
the presence of the Sheriff's Department is a lot greater part of it is because but he's still a little bit goosey and
42:41
that's kind of a crass word but it's the best way to describe it the other hell
42:47
is still on everybody's mind it's still very fresh and that's good but if you
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come down here and you want to do something we tell you not to do it anyway really good oh yeah well you're an
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authoritarian role nein okay well now is actually addressing them that there's people out there and they didn't have
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anything so I said well I'm gonna go assess it okay so that's how that little bit that day saying I'm gonna stop you
43:13
that's the party gave you permission thank you and then later they learn I
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learned because I guess I there was the Shumate they're all the different entities discussion I ended up coming on
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that crucial part in my interviews that was I came at the wrong time and yeah
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hope you come up with if not a report for lack of a better word of well call it a report I'd like to I'd like to hear
43:38
it yeah the report is public information over the three years three years three four a lot of theories and a lot of
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speculation there's been dead bodies no
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just documented stuff that we're and I don't have to say the assessment you can
43:59
go there and make your own assessment that's what I want to do I don't want it I don't want to artificial thing for our
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department and it's through me and and then also maybe they're little lesser
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degree they're going with the reports so
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the official reports and there's been a few of them until someone can change my he'll be changing for the most part my
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personal yeah because even on the report they don't even have our videoed in audio account it's just what they wanted
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in there you know so it's they really did freeze I mean that you know about
44:38
you because it wasn't anything they've actually twisted conscious other information I get mostly because maybe
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it wasn't relevant the people taking their video maybe it was though anyway
44:51
so that's that's the deal if I can be of some more help you have my number call me the right now
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though I guess we do it because of all the people we've hiked it okay here's
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the thing innocent and I and I did some of course when somebody so they need all this
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information about I think if you're neither not an official entity Department or something like that crackpot I'll be very honest I think
45:20
crackpot so I do believe and so you know you're not a crackpot I mean you you've looked into things
45:27
before and so okay well I'll do it this is you know pretty much Rinella stuff
45:33
what I call vanilla stuff so some of the stuff I can give you some a lot of what I can't give you enough do you have
45:40
everything and so just stuff I don't the state and
45:47
I'm just thinking about all the information that even some that I go
45:52
that well yours is different it is different his gambling at Bucky's that's
45:59
different when you meet firefighters that way sunny it's a different room [Laughter]
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this is gonna be different what I'm giving you I'm giving real-time visual yeah sober
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[Laughter] and because it's coming from Ben and I
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are mostly bankers you're sitting there oh yeah you are thinking cheap Tom I know every district yeah yeah there's
46:37
our own district and all that and so this has been Paul he's our assistant
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time he's been you said Ben fall but I am so sorry
46:59
[Laughter] then Bernard is our city chief how are
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you are you the assistant chief okay well I told you what you can when you
47:10
can yeah yeah but you weren't though you just became assistant chief or
47:16
congratulations because when I did my check he wasn't so see I try to remember remember what my dad my coffee fire in
47:34
the borough mountains when you have my leg spouts like this we go further and you go out here we go three four or five
47:41
miles up a mountain picks and shovels and surround the tree you know that was on fire I mean blazes on fire if we
47:48
didn't we would have burned down because there was no fire department within 30
47:54
miles even Oh rough getting in there seven eight miles we're lucky now we
47:59
have arrow so - yeah back in the 40s but
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I thought that's what fire departments do it but there then I find out there's a City Fire Department then there's a
48:14
wildland fire department and the wildland firefighters take your a little while I answer this city forward I don't
48:21
think that's always true I think there's a - there's a very bold in yeah there's a bright underfoot do you know what a
48:27
hybrid is it started there I enjoy yeah yes caught my breath
48:33
the feds dip it over because they have a bigger credit card than we do know and that's again oh that's right right so I
48:40
don't need your read qualifications as long as you say everybody's qualified
48:45
yeah so I don't need it you have to show
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it look is on the on the first fire Paul
48:57
Morin that spewed midnight licked my main focus because George hunter over there we have photos of Hinton knocking
49:05
that over with the bulldozer operator and I didn't know if it came up that came up when he took it off the lowboy
49:10
how that happened but that whole section right there it's been a intent
49:15
investigation and Paul Moore and I was like how do you find out someone that's worked for County and still in all three
49:22
years later I still haven't gotten like his red card and stuff like this I know but but that's where I you have
49:28
the Chuck in procedural cause I do incident command posts you go you have
49:39
to check your Reagan before you even go out what's the connection if you ask a very detailed inspection right down to
49:46
the test Eric you have you have then that feel bad about that less not the
49:51
triangles on your truck in case you break down you know they yeah then that's sad about that guy that remember
49:58
you went around the round the belt yeah anyway show no they're check you and we're check-in are you you have first of
50:07
all they want to know there's a computer on everybody anyway to keep your coming and also to keep you from things or
50:12
something you're not and in Jane during the people that I run see this is what I
50:22
like them because so many people they really sat down and talk to us they are
50:27
interested that nobody has been mean to us I even Denise rosio it was just cuz she didn't know she didn't know where the
50:33
FOI was so when I'm asking for the forum and she's new you know I'm saying so I he has like all they call the cops but
50:40
what happened that day is that was the third time I went in and she said she was gonna look into it and then she's like I don't know what to do you know
50:46
like so she got nervous she called sardine ash meat to me it's no big deal I know who sergeant Nash be is it's not
50:51
I'm not worried you know and sergeant Nash we just said find another way to find the information because they don't
50:57
have it and I saw well they gotta have it you know this thing right here this tells you that tells them what paid
51:03
scale we're on the ad that see firefighter two it tells you what they
51:09
did before you even get on there I mean things like this this is the look at the stuff this we're just going to Trevor
51:16
look at the stuff they check and that's when you go to that point yep you say don't turn you back then
51:29
they have they have to um on the checklist they have to put the drivers driver's license on that is that how
51:35
that works or you like if your drive are they going to put your driver's license or is it who okay because it
51:41
just seems kind of like why would they want to know who the driver is no here's
51:50
the kind of usually the Milligan these are all the people on the fire this is
51:56
the truck that was on the fire in this case it was engine 54 which is the type state it's listed as a type 5 because
52:04
the lower the number the more money they pay all right it's a type 6 to us but
52:09
because the type of truck that was in the stuff they cater to the type 5 race anyway so doctor baby and then the same
52:16
thing for this truck right here these are all the days all the hours so when you go in and you check in they go over
52:22
you pretty good and I think on the trucks here but how come so much of the praise went to Yarnell fire department
52:28
on the Tenderfoot when you and all my eye witness show that the People's Valley for the ones that helped them and
52:34
I don't understand why the media put because I'm honestly all the eyewitness accounts of crash later say you guys
52:40
were there for them the two stands over says hey let me talk to me and say no
52:46
but you guys are that good a lot more work would get done if people weren't
52:52
worried about getting credit everybody just showed up did their job and a lot more but if you're trying to
52:58
get in front of the camera and going that's the concern I have is that the people that are trying to get credit you
53:04
will go in the middle don't worry about it it's not that worried not on our part don't be
53:09
concerned and don't and that's another fire you don't need to pan because we're
53:14
not going to fan it yeah you don't care all right was you know and so I
53:21
acknowledge in my interviews that you guys are the true people that on crest
53:26
way even though you don't have the location you just have the personnel the vehicle which was on the question of
53:32
mine is the location of the men I don't need to know your location because I got the eyewitness accounts that say that
53:37
and you guys really didn't get the credit deserved I'm just saying that okay to see that that's a new thing
53:44
no I'm not medias but I'm talking about your men did long hot hours
53:50
that's fun so that's the part I'm talking about so I'm telling you personally yeah but I'm not talking
53:59
about credit like an immediate thing I'm saying right here from joy to you joy to you thank you for what you did you know
54:06
I mean I gave $175 to like my district Congress because I thought hey they did
54:12
a hard work and the heat but when I started to do really investigating it really was them in Congress it really
54:18
mailed back to you guys the Gila don't do that way okay this is this is the whole area people's Valley and euro and
54:25
Congress and you know Wilhoit over here well Congress out of the fire we all show up right that's why we don't have
54:31
these big huge departments big payrolls cuz we can we can depend on everybody's team and if we don't show up Yarnell
54:36
shows up we move into your nail to take I think this calls for we have this mutual aid thing and so we're now we're
54:43
not worried about reddit are what makes us feel warm and fuzzy is that nothing
54:50
burned down in people's well how much of that is like a huge amount of it is like how much of it is the feds with the big
54:56
credit card really really big you know how much dude I'm gonna how many drops
55:03
they made the piano the you know the big planes larger tanker yeah so that means
55:09
that we need very large air tanker you know how many of those could we afford
55:14
we couldn't even afford one but when the praises but when the praise comes out and the because like that we don't I
55:22
don't know but I'm letting you know when it does come out with a true story on the second fire on that because there is
55:27
another you know it's similar to the first but different so on that one you
55:33
won't get your all that just like a bit different yeah but you will get credit do when the time comes if because you go
55:40
fear I know you don't but I'm just saying it has nothing do it media because the media is the incident I'm
55:45
gonna tell you the media he loves the media I believe the media can be insensitive at times too oh you think
55:51
just a little bit to what the matter at the matter so like when Evans was really
55:57
in the face with Wade award and he just lost 19 men in there for his buddies and
56:02
he's really pounding him on the look out thing no and he's pounding him in an interview
56:08
leave it alone like if you have questions you know we'll see you sure news yeah you have a fire your reporter
56:16
you're standing there and you're told stay there your stay on the fire line or
56:21
report whatever comes up well after a while you're sitting there going and you and it's not like you're really making
56:27
up stuff but you're certainly are embellishing stuff you're looking for stuff that's not there all right then
56:34
comes in off the fire line he's all
56:41
though although he knows better not to talk like it was hot there's hot and
56:47
dusty a little bit of smoke so that's just about how Ben is and so that's how
56:52
I am it's like but you're the reporter so you have to draw stuff out as well I
56:58
talked to Ben Barnard I got it this time the and he came in off the fire and I he
57:06
was out there for 48 hours today at one canteen of water and you hear the news
57:15
afterward you go what planet was young and it's like it's
57:21
to the point where I mean every now and then you'll call them on it and there you go or you'll say okay I want to talk
57:26
to your boss and so you go talk to you and we say I made a Mariners in it you
57:35
know I don't know what she's been inhaling out here but you know and so what you do you say okay I'll talk to
57:41
Joy what you do is you go to we found out you go to join you go good job you got their attention and so nothing
57:47
happens and so the easiest thing for us to do is just walk away we have a little thing if you talk to reporters you buy
57:54
ice cream for everybody and yeah okay yeah just a quite frankly when I'm
57:59
coming off to Lyon I know and he's pounding him in an interview leave it alone like if you have questions you
58:07
know we'll see you see news yeah you have a fire your reporter you're
58:12
standing there and you're told to stay there you're stay on the fire line over
58:17
or whatever comes up well after a while you're sitting there going then you and it's not like you're really making up
58:23
stuff but you're certainly are embellishing stuff you're looking for stuff that's not there all right bed
58:29
comes in off the fire line he's all looking like crap so what happened
58:36
though although he knows better not to like it was hot there's hot and dusty
58:43
and a little bit of smoke so that's just about how bent is and so that's how I am
58:48
it's like but you're the reporter so you have to draw stuff out well I talked to
58:54
Ben Barnard I got it this time the and he came in off the fire and I he was out
59:01
there for 48 hours today he had one canteen of water and you hear the news
59:11
afterward you go what planet was young and it's like and it's to the point
59:17
where I mean every now and then you'll call them on it and there you go or you'll say okay I want to talk to your boss and so you go talk to you and we
59:24
say I made a my hair isn't it you know I
59:31
don't know what she's been inhaling out here but you know and so what you do you say okay I'll talk to joy what you do is
59:38
you go to we found out you go to join you go good job you got their attention and so nothing happens and so the
59:43
easiest thing for us to do is just walk away we have a little thing if you talk
59:48
to reporters you buy ice cream for everybody you know yeah okay yeah just a quite frankly when
59:55
I'm coming off the line I avoid him like I avoid him like the plague and so you come in off the fire line it's like I'm
1:00:01
tired and you make up names just like we know better to do that but it's like the
1:00:08
ice cream is the best way to do it you know after the fire we show up at someone's house go to their Katherine or
1:00:14
something like that make beer that's why he tells them in the news I'm like wow
1:00:22
weird here those most vanilla people you've ever seen yeah and that's for a
1:00:28
reason because I'm not saying you but if you were a reporter you're paid to get
1:00:33
news and if you don't make news maybe you make it up just a little bit and that's kind of harsh maybe you don't
1:00:39
make it up but you're certainly gonna pull it out okay you know there's a deadline I mean and to hear him say that
1:00:47
because then thirty thirty percent of the people that would say well joy how how can you present something and not
1:00:54
have the forum with it yet you know and I'm like well I'm just letting you know it's coming you know like you said today
1:01:00
she gets you you're leaving right so then fires a long time and I know from
1:01:09
past experience I know what's going to happen I don't even have to ask Ben you know I know what's gonna happen and see
1:01:16
that's a trap that everything they all fall into it's like I know as much as a fireman or maybe no more you let's say
1:01:23
you're her cameraman and all sudden there's some dead space and you're going and you know what that means it means
1:01:28
draw it out and electro in your head
1:01:34
right so that's what I've got
1:01:44
okay what kind of complete you don't
1:02:03
know dr. Ted puffiness oh really Wow or even though you got their firefighters smokejumpers differently
1:02:10
those are crazy people yeah okay I'm crazy
1:02:20
there on the weird guy on the weird scale and so hopefully they'll decent
1:02:27
help you as far as the other stuff you can give it okay and what they'll do is
1:02:34
they'll probably as far as who is driving the truck we don't keep track of that okay
1:02:39
and if you're looking for I mean evidently you know because you've been convicted only because the interviews
1:02:45
and the eyewitness they said a different game they said a different driver was driving it was probably because of the
1:02:50
chaos of trying to get the vehicle from point A okay so that's not my job to the
1:02:57
scene I cut my hose out and my part is there we gotta move I was gonna check he's gonna jump in and move the truck
1:03:02
they said a lot of the people's Valley fire departments were left behind at the
1:03:07
youth camp and they had a walkout while their vehicle was written out so that's yeah so then when I watched the video
1:03:13
Mike holy crap so then I was like well I can find out you because here something
1:03:19
else too let's say all four of us firefighters and so it was a you guys
1:03:26
drove the tender in yeah most of time tender has one got some tension has to you though and we're in another we're in
1:03:32
a brush truck they're down bends down you know suppose something happens and
1:03:37
you know the fire starts moving in well we don't care that much about Hollis we just disconnected every dime tenifer
1:03:44
Campbell brag but the danger in Matt is that it gets caught on something ripped something off the truck and so we'll
1:03:50
just break it loose and leave it and so he might do that and jump in his truck you guys are maybe about to get overrun
1:03:58
you'll jump in someone else's truck it to get out of there in meantime were jumping ahead anyway what I'm saying is
1:04:03
that that's why they don't lift we don't we know who the leaves in the truck we know who comes back because when we
1:04:10
leave well we'll call it in we'll say okay we're in this truck or the incident
1:04:15
art I see on for our department out there but we're gonna know there's somebody
1:04:20
that's in charge of knowing fire who's in choosing into their app using if you get asked to go somewhere else out of my
1:04:27
static control I'm going am I gonna move your truck if you're not there to move my hell yes I'm gonna move back to our
1:04:32
truck that is my truck this yeah I have to secure mainly other
1:04:38
housing stuff right structure although most our fires are well what yeah good
1:04:43
what a man with a Pulaski dude but not a house their mother they're mainly to
1:04:49
protect around there's a gnome and unit
1:05:04
like meaning that there's nobody here all the time you have to go by appointment so you can see you guys with
1:05:09
a big truck and the water hoses and know how to turn to hydrants on there up like that but the thing is my man up in the
1:05:17
woods coming down protects structures seems ridiculous though are almost all
1:05:22
of our fires at eight it I'm not excited
1:05:35
do you think you get excited I don't if we most people and I'm one of them
1:05:43
if I get excited it's not that my thought process changes but they're introducing every problem focus on the
1:05:50
problem solver afternoon for lack of a better word you were a problem no I
1:05:56
didn't you were I knew what you wanted I didn't know why you wanted I didn't know if you're some crackpot just looking for
1:06:02
something to do I don't see I don't know anything I don't want problems yeah now and what good does it do to come in
1:06:08
here is down with you I don't even put up logic you know keys why can't I just
1:06:13
sit here and have a conversation with I think we just did why can't we just have a conversation about what do you need there maybe I
1:06:20
can't maybe I can help you if you think come to me with like I've had it we don't certain people like um if you had
1:06:27
come with me with a group I would have saw fun G because you know what it's a human factor we're just you're trying to
1:06:33
shoot it yeah yeah you know I knew I didn't have all the stuff you needed so I will now it's been a little time found out how do I
1:06:38
get the information she's gonna maybe I can send her away you're not totally checked off at the apartment but the
1:06:45
thing is it doesn't do any good anything life's too simple and so one that so
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much worried about that why did you lose a little bit of control I know that you can order that's weird
1:06:57
that's him not for me yes why say yes I want me to be in control
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I don't need to control everything that's why you know Ben is here yeah next to an assistant you know I don't
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even want to call he's we have two chiefs here I don't like I don't like title sorry about bringing is I'm what I
1:07:15
am is on my peoples Valley audio Stephanie coffee you're a blood phone we had this month amy-jo November Olivia scaped Hospice in
1:07:24
president yeah that's yeah yeah I walked out I said I don't know how to die I'm gonna die at home yeah I'm so it's
1:07:32
pretty common that's common anymore as I'm sure you're the same way I don't want the rest of it I want to wear out
1:07:37
that's why you're here well if he wants to have a beer he's gonna have it when he wants to have it
1:07:43
I'm sure there you're only allowed to have it at dinner time wants to sit in the hospital who wants to sit at hospice
1:07:50
or something like that and just wait for waiting for dying happy bread no I wanna
1:07:58
I want to wear out I want to fall off my horse dead that's yeah yeah I want to I
1:08:03
will know and he would he got mad at me cuz I wouldn't sign him out at the POA I wouldn't sign him out but he had
1:08:09
during them and by liability I could make you know like why the hell fortunately I guess nobody likes someone
1:08:15
that's right all the time have a good memory no the beside me yeah oh no I mean I
1:08:23
don't I mean it's gonna other life I was very tight there oh yeah for now
1:08:28
were you on a ship no the everything is a [ __ ] so I agree but the thing
1:08:35
what's nice about this is it I have the time to do the job nice strong all the time or they give it back or but if you
1:08:42
can if you can sit down then the nice thing though is every now and then I get a little revved up and I'll say you know
1:08:52
okay what do you do that to get a point across no no if you just naturally enjoyed it
1:08:57
just happens though not often but the thing is it's just the own people just
1:09:03
can't do it told you you come and that way you're calm that's right you can agitate it
1:09:09
hopefully if you do if you do his advice
1:09:15
to you is a good six pack because it has
1:09:24
barley in it that's it he'll tell you the vessels up better or niacin never
1:09:30
got the stents and he would have done niacin yeah but anyway the good luck
1:09:37
with that yeah I have the information on your main thrusters I just told you don't need to
1:09:44
match up eyewitness accounts and interviews that's the only reason why not because I think something or
1:09:49
anything it's just I need to if someone's saying that great I love your perspective I love your perception
1:09:56
you're a good person but that yeah I need the documents to back up what you're you know I'm like mark Danielson
1:10:02
remember when he saw everything and then when he went out and killed himself you know I don't think he's dead I think
1:10:09
he's out somewhere living his life and thank you Jack dude he can make it on his own you
1:10:16
don't need that yeah no I don't think he that's what that's one of the ways of
1:10:22
handling stress yeah let's start over start over you're
1:10:28
having girlfriend problem it means but The Weavers to me is my terrain my trails my daily to go from point A to
1:10:35
point B so like a lot of people are like what the hell's she doing up there that's my area that's my way of life I
1:10:43
mean that's how I get from point A to B and how else would you go up except that
1:10:48
highway and who wants to go on the highway [Music]
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no again it happen a fire will never go down the other side of that mountain but
1:11:03
that's not it though that's again another person look you're coming up and you thereby making its own comment he's
1:11:16
making his own comments and that's not facts I wanted to go to the top to assess the fire to see you see a lot of
1:11:24
elder people I helped in this town Yarnell Congress in Wickenburg and I was
1:11:29
there now so it doesn't matter back then it was rugged and I would say
1:11:37
but if you but if you know how we feel about it and venture and you know and I
1:11:44
did it yeah I'd agree okay yeah I agree with that so good the thing is comics
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and other liability thing that's thank
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you and so nothing's more important than they say sounds crass I mean the people
1:12:02
we have people were trying to perfect a that if we don't have the guys hold it protect him I'm doing them any good
1:12:08
gonna go out there and probably why I'm just gonna leave it at that no no liability thing it's okay so what
1:12:13
are you gonna say well I was gonna ask you the next time there's a lightning strike I mean
1:12:20
our conditions dancers Yarnell burn half and two what's your is your L
1:12:26
responsible hung up there and put that strike they're not you know they're not know that wasn't a nervous it wasn't
1:12:33
their jurisdiction so to answer you that okay it depends on it because it depends
1:12:40
sunny no because it you think you'll be BLM it could be private it could be state because as you know you know
1:12:46
there's the Mayans and lightning strike on my land it's my responsibility to put it out there right now we're not saying
1:12:52
that either depends on where you're at they over flew it the first couple times and they couldn't find it they went back
1:12:59
and they hadn't grown yet they had several other fires working by the time they got back it had puffed up and so no it wasn't in
1:13:09
their district to go and put it out and they would have been going up the hill in the middle of I had to do actually we
1:13:14
don't do that so when you give up being an old cowboy when I was a kid my dad
1:13:20
and I'd put these bars out up yeah but that's all days forties no [ __ ] that's
1:13:27
different and why I can't get that see it doesn't completely me but I mean it
1:13:34
does with you was I called in right away and it was the over fluid and then looked at first they couldn't even see
1:13:40
it and then they came back in the morning and they saw it and it hadn't grown in they were still sanded down
1:13:47
room or somewhere where we could see it on Friday evening from that is sure I
1:13:53
heard 10 by 12 10 by 16 everything I don't understand - they're like oh it was a lightning strike you should have
1:13:58
done something that's common I'm yeah state there was like 26 other lightning strike fires burn the exact same thank
1:14:04
you that was all the time yeah it's not uncommon you know for lightning strike
1:14:12
there's thousands of light go out furniture inna goes out I've got something I've got the apps that you can
1:14:18
put on your phone yeah it does if you look at it it covers the map sunny and
1:14:24
if you looked at all the different life strikes in that area you can't blame just that one area because just in the
1:14:30
cross even from down to Tucson up there is all over yeah it does it's all over and if you
1:14:38
look at map no but when I see smoke I go put the damn thing out you know there's all kinds of different Maps sunny you
1:14:44
can look at satellite maps you can look at like heat maps you can look at fire maps you can look at fire start
1:14:50
lightning strike no but it's different yeah but I'm frightened yeah per sec
1:14:56
yeah you can't look at it that way yep they've been up there and walked in the daylight imagine doing it in the dark okay and and it's kind of it's an old
1:15:04
school like Bob powers they used to do this I mean but new school it's different it's not the firefighters it's
1:15:09
a safety issue yeah and it's all that's it's not because they can't do it or
1:15:15
won't do it it's just the safety thing at night six times you've been married
1:15:37
six times you know how to ride a bull [Laughter]
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yeah first I was thinking what the hell
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right that's the most common thing I get and don't ya and then the third of the people you're asking this for it's like
1:16:02
you know I'm busy and I have I'll have time to do this blood I'll do it and so finally got to the point where
1:16:09
okay I need to take care of this and so that's why I got the information idea together you know this Simmons call you
1:16:16
or did he call you or no fire department cuz on my voicemail Barbara said she called Yarnell fire deparment enough
1:16:23
that didn't need to be stirred up from raw Simmons office though they did call Yarnell fire
1:16:30
department they didn't call here no he said we talked to the chief I know so
1:16:39
she didn't call you though just in the past day or so man that she she started the wrong area she called she's been oh
1:16:51
they think you're the same thing not just your email obviously so it's like a
1:17:00
lot of things I was rambling in the first one because it's all coming at me at the same day and so the first email
1:17:06
is so rambling this is a lot like a lightning strike like okay yeah
1:17:11
lightning strike up there but I have three other fires on I was a put out the fire girl joy was the fire he's been
1:17:21
there I got to share from the memory so it's not like we just sit there going
1:17:29
okay we need a problem solver and honest
1:17:38
you are problem solved yeah and so but hopefully you're going away for better
1:17:43
taste in your mouth when you we're not trying to deal with any we're trying to hide I never thought that either salad Oh anyway and we're not I did that be
1:17:55
asking for the financial part like I've done others anyway so the there you go
1:18:03
yeah if you get her if you get something I'm not a problem I just need to get the proper you cannot listen to all these
1:18:10
eyewitness accounts in all these interviews and I'm not just talking about locals I'm talking about firefighters that were on the scene
1:18:17
whoo I've hiked with and I'm thinking what's the hell why did they come in my way you know like who I'm like the
1:18:23
sponge of all this data and I'm able to keep in mind what you're dealing with yeah you're probably dealing with a lot
1:18:29
of will give the begging a lot of firefighters that go no I was out there and I read the official report like the
1:18:37
way it happened gonna be people that or they're the [ __ ] or instigators before the fire I want to make myself
1:18:44
important so I'm gonna I'm you're
1:18:49
getting it those two and I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out a lot of things the more you
1:18:54
talk right so or you might say well okay maybe this guy are you cellphone or you shelf their information and go maybe
1:19:01
there's something to it let me get the deck documents to see you know like
1:19:10
click to pay when he came at first I thought well what's going on why he said
1:19:15
why see so heated to talk negative you should never talk negative about your Brotherhood and your fire department but
1:19:21
he was so initially in the beginning so ready to talk about the bad things of Yarnell fire department so he clip do
1:19:29
Pat DUP you I cliff dude yeah when he became that person of like all this data
1:19:36
I couldn't take all his data in I took his data and shelved it I still haven't
1:19:43
even touched his data you know it's it's there why are you there that's what I
1:19:50
asked him why are you there why people wouldn't because my concern so my extra
1:19:56
grand with doing so that's what my concerns were yeah but you never know alright so no I don't think Bob Brandon
1:20:05
was over on Yarnell fire department I'm still and then over no he was at Yarnell
1:20:12
fire department on yours that's the thing I'm trying that Bob Brennan never was with what why is it did they put him
1:20:19
in the media that way or easy huh see there you go we're back just story
1:20:26
killing it that's what me and see we'll be real charitable and that's anything else yeah right I agree with
1:20:32
that all right dinner time how did you hear him let's go to the Legion time I
1:20:46
think again thank you nice to meet you
1:20:53
[Laughter] good luck with that I gave you honest
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answers yeah no I would be told up above if not me and him or connected a truck
1:21:12
that's your truck and that's the one you wanted sunny remember he drove by you he
1:21:19
said I need one of them to take out in the Hills he would have scratches everywhere on it we call that Arizona pincer I think he
1:21:25
would though he'd have it all scratched up his dogs or scratch it up it's a nice one though thank you I'm a problem
1:21:39
that's funny I like them people though they're just straight-up real people
1:21:45
yeah you just trying to get a paycheck yeah there's your paycheck but he just
1:21:54
kind of
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hour and 27 minutes good morning missus
1:22:19
mr. Hickman joy Colora I'm fine how are
1:22:25
you I'm just cooking like crazy for tomorrow like there's like 19 different
1:22:31
individuals that lost a loved one and so like they don't want to be together with other people so I'm like cooking all
1:22:37
these different people and my own family and so it's a crazy day but I got a voicemail from Bill Boyd so
1:22:46
I have to call him back and it's probably because of the holidays that I'm not getting him so I wanted to give you that update I am I don't have her
1:22:55
contact information do you have debra burkhardt's contact information okay
1:23:05
that's fine and then on I had sent texts and emails but Ross Simmons office is
1:23:11
that your information is up-to-date on emails so I have a nan key design at
1:23:17
CableOne dot net in a BB Mountain iris at gmail.com and then a people fire
1:23:23
people's Valley fire at comm speed net but the people's value comes back okay
1:23:36
so I haven't gotten anything back so did you do you have my blank CD with the
1:23:42
self-addressed stamped envelope
1:24:00
yeah and Jen I have a signature for it but no in June I sent that the original
1:24:17
FIA was sent out in June I need to have
1:24:37
an email text or phone calls need to have a permanent record Tex texture -
1:24:52
easily erased okay so on November 11th
1:25:02
when I saw you the next day I sent a text but then I also packed it up with a November 14th email I'll send you a copy
1:25:28
of the signature thing from back in June
1:25:36
no that was August
1:25:53
no that was August the thing that the discredit was June okay so I haven't
1:26:05
found it so then on the 81 I send you text is just to let you know in case you're not an email person to let you
1:26:11
know that there was an email so do you have any updates on like the process of how long that's going to take
1:26:18
us I went back and and they said that I don't go through BLM because actually
1:26:24
you're the one that has the rights to those records so you would have to go and get the data and reroute it to me
1:26:30
because it's your district that I'm asking from so be your responsibility to fulfill the FOI a from the open records
1:26:41
[Applause]
1:26:56
now you can't charge on non-commercial and you can do on copies but if I come
1:27:02
to your office if I come to your office and look at the records it's perfectly free as long as it started business our
1:27:09
trainers know on a non-commercial you can't on a commercial you can I just I
1:27:18
just went through I just went through this yeah yeah essential you have a PI
1:27:23
Fire Department just had that they sent me a invoice you know and I said unfortunately you'll have to reach your
1:27:29
lawyer because that's not accurate so then they came they sent me an apology
1:27:44
well because in our interview and talking you said that certain people did
1:27:49
never belong to any of the fire departments so now I need those personnel files with the proper redactions and the job applications and
1:27:56
the certificates and the red cards and the reviews because now it have to back it up to other data and eyewitness
1:28:02
accounts unfortunately because in our meeting I was just going by what you said and then when I came back and they
1:28:08
actually have the first-hand account saying that's not the facts then I was like crap is so now I have to ask for
1:28:14
that stuff
1:28:20
[Applause] I know but you had said that one of the employees was never tied to your fire
1:28:27
department and now I need to you stated that one of the fire people that was on
1:28:34
the Yarnell Hill Fire was not a part of the People's Valley or Yarnell fire department and that would be a Bob
1:28:40
Brandon yeah and that's when you said
1:28:48
and my thing though that he wasn't though so then that made me go back and
1:28:54
I was like oh now I got to go fact-check and do all these different things I didn't really want to know and that's
1:29:04
why you've got to go reroute two to that lady Deborah Brookhart or because I am
1:29:09
you never offered any contact details to reach her so I had to go through Bill Boyd who's actually doing my fo ia so I
1:29:15
had to go through him yeah I did that
1:29:25
already but he you've never replied to the email so when you don't reply to an email and you have to reply so many days
1:29:55
the state knows as much as I can but you
1:30:01
have to realize but do you realize if I
1:30:08
email none listen that's my time right but doesn't matter
1:30:13
importance of priority rocks yeah no no that's not a curiosity thing by state
1:30:19
law once I sent that email you have 20 business days to reply to it if you
1:30:25
don't that's called denial then what happens is I get twenty dollars a day per day for the days that you did not
1:30:31
you ignored me so it's very important to not ignore me it says I'm going by the
1:30:36
protocol by the state law I'm not doing anything with Ilham tank okay well I'm
1:30:43
just saying you're trying to tell me but
1:30:56
you hadn't replied that to me told I called you just now you understand that I had to call you to find that
1:31:01
information now I sent you the email in
1:31:07
November 14th I sent you to email in November 12th 1823 I sent you neva on
1:31:13
November 17th 23:02 what my point is you didn't you
1:31:20
didn't reply within so many days on acknowledging it there's actually an acknowledgement factor you have to do
1:31:27
immediately the process is 20 days but the acknowledgement you have to do I
1:31:53
have to you've done it to me too though
1:32:00
so it's not it's a good back and forth yeah you listen this over you'll hear that you did talk over me yeah but my
1:32:07
point is I did I already done that that's completed now I know you didn't
1:32:18
say that but you never emailed me and told me that so now I know you see
1:32:28
I'm kind of curious when this ends no I
1:32:35
wanted it to begin with but because we talked in person I really really liked you and I liked what you said and I
1:32:42
believed you that Bob Brannan had no involvement but then after that recorded
1:32:52
no you didn't say that that's not how
1:32:59
you stated it I have the recording this night he stayed in it so that's why I had to go on fact-checked okay that
1:33:05
that's all it's every part of this fire I'm not against anybody personally I'm
1:33:10
not against a town I have so many entities that I have the same questions to and what happened is Jerry floorman
1:33:18
sent me an email and she's upset she fills that people are being caused anxiety and confusion my point is why is
1:33:24
there any anxiety of confusion when they all have my phone number if you thought
1:34:00
it was a misunderstanding I'm telling you now I don't know if he was on fire
1:34:06
I'm not aware of it if he went because I
1:34:11
wasn't here someone think the state is on the fire initial there's my absolute knowledge I don't have that okay but
1:34:18
just know I don't have anything personal against anybody I know if it seems like a pain in the butt when I send an FOI a
1:34:23
cause it's like oh I got to put this back but nobody's communicated to me
1:34:28
nobody on this you know what
1:34:36
that came I don't have it if it was I sign for you know it's time for a letter
1:34:41
I think maybe a sign for two I don't know yeah even you'd have to replace your file sitting right here in front of
1:34:47
me that's also one of the things that's a problem is that most of the time I'm
1:34:54
either in the station or I'm out on a call right so right now I'm out on the
1:34:59
call and so on yeah a little bit of a disadvantage because I don't have other stuff with me okay that's all I just
1:35:10
want to munication I wish I didn't have
1:35:18
to but I'm dealing with an investigation of two fires and if I don't document everything it's not right I asked
1:35:29
Arizona state law if I'm going to use it in some kind of format that's different if I'm using it for my own personal clarity it's different there's different
1:35:34
formulas formulas for different things it's a way is for the courtesy I've done
1:35:42
it you know what I've done that before and I've had when I've done that before automatically why CSO was called they
1:35:50
come they act like a peacemaker and I'm not doing anything wrong all they said is you need to leave the building and
1:35:56
finally get your foi form another way I shouldn't even be put in that position at all okay and it's all and I just say
1:36:26
communicate with me you could say hey because the holidays are kind of doing this that's gonna I don't know when it's
1:36:31
going to be but just communicate because everybody keeps saying in town oh you're causing this confusion and anxiety but
1:36:36
I'm not the one that's not communicating I've fourths from the [ __ ] and Jerry
1:36:46
flora is my friend that's why I don't understand it the fact that I said you're fired that I have to put it out without at home that
1:36:53
was one of the things you and I wasn't trying I wasn't trying to be really hurt or tell you that you know anything other
1:37:02
than that but you are and that's just a way of saying that you're something you're some problem that came up that I
1:37:08
have to deal with seeing that should and that's the thing that people have to realize I am NOT the problem people have
1:37:15
to understand that anybody anybody can ask from anywhere and ask for a public
1:37:21
record so just because I asked for a public record does not make me the problem I'm asking for a public letter
1:37:36
all right I have to do both areas yeah
1:37:55
and I get that I just said you have to understand when I listen to things over again I'm like well that didn't add up and so then I said I maybe do need the
1:38:02
personnel records because that doesn't make sense now and and so like you have to remember I have to go by documents I
1:38:08
cannot just make anything and think of this or make it my way you know have a
1:38:19
great Thanksgiving
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