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so I did it's 4 43 p.m on September 23rd
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2023. I did the September 21st 2023 blog
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index log is a work in progress uh the
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Fred John Scheffler bio is completed
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please sign my petition uh post is
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completed joy and calor bios completed
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and now we're on to the did the late
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afternoon let's pull that one up
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so again this we did one two three post
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one Index this is post four and it's
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called
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uh and it was originally done on June 28
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2018 with contributing authors and
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myself and it's called did the late
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afternoon June 30th 2013 Sesame Street
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and the shrine fire Behavior smoke
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plumes influence structure loss in
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gretamonte Hotshot fatalities
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and so we give a disclaimer in the
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beginning
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and so go read the disclaimer but I'm
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gonna give it to you here now for you
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know other but anyways any views
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expressed to the public at large in the
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public of concern my disclaimer our
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disclaimer is please fully read the1:07
front page of the website before we read
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any of the posts
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so stop it here now if you haven't done
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that
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anyways the authors in the blog are not
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responsible for misuse reuse recycled
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cited or uncited copies of content with
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the blog by others the content even
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though we are presenting it public it
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being reused must get written permission
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and doing so due to copyright material
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and thank you I was one of the two
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eyewitness hikers throughout the entire
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weekend of the June 28th through the
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30th 2013 Yarnell fire
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we witnessed and photographed and
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videoed the weather and fire Behavior
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terrain personnel Vehicles aircraft
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radio communications and much more we
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tried to so hard to share urinal Health
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fire red evidence with the Prescott fire
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department because Daily Courier Joanna
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daughter nellons encouraged us that this
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data was important however the Prescott
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fire department the one we went to
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didn't want it they were very
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uninterested and interested we gave the
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SAT [ __ ] and John daughtery our
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information in our data I've
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painstakingly gathered public records
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related to all aspects of the Yarnell
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Fire based on the public records
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gathered over over five years this is
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when the post was made I'll do my very
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best to attempt to present all the
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Yarnell fire data that I have collected
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and purchased the true history of the
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Arnel fire and it may take more than
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five years I'm sorry to all the Wildland
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firefighters for the Epic loss
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and so many of your wildland firefighter
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brothers and one Fell Swoop to the
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families to the friends to the loved
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ones of the greater Mountain HotShots to
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the homeowners of Yarnell in people's
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Valley and all others affected by the
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Arnel fire the serious accident
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investigation team had unlimited access
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to all the unredacted public records
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that I would I requested and I'm going
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to show you here on the blog of which I
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received
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some including many that were so heavily
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redacted it has to be worthless to be in
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my hands the SAT provided a serious
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accident investigation report which was
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based on preconceived notions of no
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fault no errors there was no separate
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section for human factors the sassar
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focused on limited areas without
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addressing the true Lessons Learned From
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such a unprecedented tragedy in a word
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it should have never happened as I said
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on John Dudley's video back in
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2013. ahead of time I want to address
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that I know some areas will be very
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sensitive to some people so yet these
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are public records that I tried over
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time to get you all interested in the
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area very few did there are so many of
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that have data in the form of photos
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videos audio recordings and I do
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encourage you to please come forward and
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share those valuable data for sharing
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the truth of what occurred that day and
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for the Lessons Learned for our local
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community as well as the fire industry I
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know how difficult it is to living in a
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small town as well as go along and get
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along that attitude with the within this
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fire industry and that the same attitude
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and behavior extends to our small town I
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know because it's been taken me over
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five years to get to this point I also
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said In God's Time his will will his
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will will be done it is time I have
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fully comprehension of my legal rights
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on sharing some of the material to the
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world and I will not tolerate any bully
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behaviors to suppress the truth from
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presenting itself I also stated long ago
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watch what you type government folks and
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emails and texts because it would
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eventually be public data I'll be
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revealing all the public record material
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that I have gathered to begin with a
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retired Yarnell Fire Department fire
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chief Pete Anderson R.I.P and Arizona
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BLM Bruce Olsen conceived the idea of
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fire breaks and fuel mitigation in the
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rnl community a fuel fire break was
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constructed between Sesame Street and
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the shrine Wasson belugo Shrine owners
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the year that Sesame Street TV show came
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on air
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the whole idea of a fuel fire break was
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to protect Yarnell in the event of a
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threatening wildfire the longtime
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presumption was that it would need to be
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burned or fired out to be totally
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effective or what as locals incorrectly
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refer to as back burned
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based on one of the public records I
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received I recently called and I left a
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lengthy voicemail learning the
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Christensen family at 3 45 on June 27
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2018 that I was to reveal their records
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in the form of their June 30th 2013
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photographs I also told them the
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unfolding this summer 2018 all the fire
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data that I have gathered in five years
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would eventually be released to the
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world to properly assess what I've
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gathered I will discuss this further
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below
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this was also included texts emails and
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more from firefighters Wildland
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firefighters and the Greta Mount hasha
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family friends and loved ones all of it
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will be made public soon I'm not doing a
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book or a movie or making any type of
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profit I'm enduring a debt as well as
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people in my circle however it's well
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worth it to make sure we get to the root
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of the many issues surrounding the
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Yarnell hillfire 2013 to bring Lessons
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Learned and that safety really does
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matter in all lives certainly matter
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consider now some of what I know about
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Mr Christensen mentioned below
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I hope Snake Man Tommy Maiden collect
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and relocate venomous spiders
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couple decades ago with Frank sarrows
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both my hiking Pals March 2009 to June
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2009 and both now are deceased to cancer
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we gave those spiders to 67 year old at
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the time of this post Mr Charles Paul
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Christensen and that's all I knew and I
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know about him so however snake man told
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me Chuck is what he goes by was into
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science a chemist and in 1978 to 1982 he
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was a product development chemist for
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making chemical
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Tommy told us that Chuck got his
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bachelor's of Science in 1976 to 1980 in
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California State University Long Beach
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and began in 1975 at the University of
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California Los Angeles learning
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chemistry in 1986 Christensen found
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bioactivities which eventually became
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NPS Pharmaceuticals I also heard this
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man is talented and he attended music at
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the University of Minnesota Twin Cities
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and his zoology even began back in
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69-73. the point in all the above
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background data is so you know the train
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from a desert guy Factor because he also
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is a Yarnell fire department EMT
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firefighter since 2002. it was shared to
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me he was he lived in Black Canyon City
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as well in an area its own history of
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Wildland fires snakeman shared with
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Frank sarrows and myself that from 1992
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to 1999 that Chuck was with the
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cyanamites
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cyanidemid agriculture Research Center
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as a biologist he started to collect
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breed and milk venomous spiders and
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arthropods I've also spoken to him a few
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times and here's some videos of his work
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to trade check States I likely
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I like to direct my questions and
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problems and let them carry me into a
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new area of exploration and Discovery
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Specialties dishwasher maggot slopper
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spider spit collector hplc Mass
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spectroscopy protein purification and
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characterization camel product
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formulation field biology and collecting
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spider breeding rearing and collecting
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computer programming photography
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emergency medicine Wildland and
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structure firefighting
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you can see that on his professional
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account Chuck currently has spider Farm
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LLC I unsuccessfully tried to fact check
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in May 2018 with a public record to see
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current Yarnell fire department staff
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roster but when I left the area on June
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15 2018 I contend that Chief Ben Palm
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urinal fire department board members
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were breaking State and Arizona fire
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district handbook policy rules laws
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regarding their current public records
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request form so I had to file with the
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Arizona State Ombudsman last I knew the
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community lost a fine firefighter John
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rice it has not yet been clarified if it
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was due to a career move or as well
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local rumors fly and I'm the one who
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documents the facts for you all to
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properly assess the rnl fire and its
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aftermath at the last I knew there was
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just a few left on Yarnell fire
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department and Chuck was still a Yarnell
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Fire Department volunteer EMT
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firefighter the follow the following
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thread is sits in public records to
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adash from Chuck
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I've not seen his additional fire photos
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but maybe he'll share them to the world
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someday because every story matters
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here's the public record email I legally
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paid for and received hi I've got more
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but these photos appear to be the most
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interesting the first were taken at the
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top of West happy way at South Crestway
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with two smaller plumes starting to
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develop at Northwest West from town the
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last photo at 1604 was taken from the
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North End of the north Crestway from
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above the Presbyterian church and shows
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the larger plume north northwest of town
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it also appears that the other plumes
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are growing in that photo I was
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wondering if the southerly plumes were
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the ones that expanded to take out the
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firefighters and attack Glenn Island no
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it's from Chuck and he gave his contact
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information and on August 19 2013 we
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have Marshall crotenberg he says Chuck
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thanks for calling today any photographs
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or video you may have related the far
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would be appreciated thank you Marshall
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crunkburg so then you go on and who
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wants to know true stated about the four
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Chuck Christensen photos these are not
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these are still not original copies
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someone just uploaded these image to a
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Google photo album or to a Google Drive
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and then just shared them from there
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once you give them to Google they're
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reformatting engine removes all the
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original metadata there is no longer
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even a metadata say what kind of devices
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photos were taken from a digital camera
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smartphone
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however at least the file name have been
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preserved and there seemed to be an
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accurate timestamp for the photos the
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file names themself which Google has not
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messed with so the timestamps are 15 51
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39 which is 351 39 PM through
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1604.36 which is 404 36 pm and can be
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assumed to be accurate at first glance I
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don't see anything at all unusual about
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any of the photos they are not shown
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anything that any other photos in the
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public evidence record don't already
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show the smoke plumes in the first photo
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the 15 5139 appear to be exactly where
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like Christopher McKenzie's photo and
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video see photo Five Below we're showing
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the fire line to be at exactly the same
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time 3 51 PM from his Vantage Point up
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at the last resting spot where he and
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all the other Granite Mountain HotShots
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were at 351 seen resting and taking all
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their photos of the fire line advancing
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towards urml
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forget to mention the proof that these
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are not Originals is because during
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Google's photo conversion process it
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removes all device and creation date
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information and then it's adds in its
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own stamp to the metadata that looks
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like software Google that tells you that
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it was Google software that altered the
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metadata in the image all four of these
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photos have this tell tell tell
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Telltale software alteration signature
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the original email had the photos below
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attached out of sequence therefore I've
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listed them in chronological order below
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so the fire Behavior progression makes
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more sense to you as you scroll down you
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will clearly notice separate and
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distinct smoke columns plumes that may
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possibly indicate a firing operation is
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taking place in order to strengthen the
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fire Break by removing the flammable
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fuels ahead of an approaching wildfire
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Figure 1 2013 June 30th 1551 39 Crest
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Way in happy way looking Westerly Chuck
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Christensen
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figure 2 2013 June 30th 1552 the
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triangle that connects Fountain Hills to
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Lakewood Drive looks towards the Sesame
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Street to the shrine areas Chuck
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Christensen
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figure three
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2013 June 30th 1552 Crest swinging happy
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way looking Westerly Chuck Christensen
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figure four
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2013 June 30th
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1604-36 Crestway and tabletop way look
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in between the shrine not visible Harper
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Canyon and the you stoic
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Christensen the following three images
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are enhanced to denote fire operation
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locations and activities from the
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perspective of the photographer of the
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above four photos indicated by a red
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sight lime and in the photo we on figure
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five the photo below is a Google Earth
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street view image wants to know the
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truth from investigate media created
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this so we can specific activities areas
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of interest on June 30th 2013 minus the
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fires as seen in the above photos
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and wants to know the truth as a source
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want to know truth from investigate
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media stated this is another workup on
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the Christensen 1551 photo same as the
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one attached to the last email but this
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photo above has more annotations and
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shows more locations notice that the
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according to the red sight line the fire
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line hadn't even really crossed the old
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greater location yet there in the bowl
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which matches other
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photographic evidence already in the
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public records for the 3 51 pm time
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frame also notice that whatever was
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happening out there at 3 51 PM the
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Granite Mountain hashas had a clear view
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of it from the last rest spot and the
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place where Christopher McKenzie and the
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other Granite Mountain HotShots were all
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taking their own photos Looking Back
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East in the same 351 time pm time frame
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and figure six it's an edited photo
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using a red arrow showing fire behavior
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from the line of sight from the
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photographer on June 30th 2013 Source
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who wants no truth investigating media
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figure 7 is a Google Earth street view
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image of Figure 6 above without the
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smoke calm indicating red sight line who
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wants to know truth from investigative
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media
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commentary from who wants to know the
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truth here's a simple sightline analysis
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of just the first Christensen photo the
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one that's taken at 1551 at 3 51 PM as
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in the other photos the red line on the
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photo represents a sight line as to the
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left edge of the southernmost smoke
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plume seen in the distance as with the
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Glover
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09.096 Point jpeg jpg photo there is an
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equivalent Google street video view
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image taken at an exact point
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Christensen took his photo on June 30th
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2013. the street view photo from there
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at Crestway in happy way has an
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equivalent red sight line out to where
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the southernmost smoke plume is being
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seen at 3 51 PM it also shows where the
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deployment site was in the distance
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which Christensen photo does not show
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that right the red sight line actually
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passes directly over that Patrick
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Bernard business location that the Tsar
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was referred to as the mining camp this
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is exactly where Jerry Thompson and the
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Sun City firefighters were staged at the
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moment at 351 and the photo was taken
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Jerry Thompson and the others were
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already up on the rock pile just to the
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west of the mining camp structures and
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were already taking their own photos and
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videos of the same fire line approaching
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Yarnell so as far as what is seen in the
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Christensen photo the Jerry Thompson and
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the Sun City photos and videos already
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provide a much better view of what
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already was going on over there at the
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exact time at 3 51 pm
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now the two above photos had the index
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log message Sean kreiner below figure
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nine and was tied to those photos figure
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eight view of the June 30th 2013 fire
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Behavior behavior from tabletop and
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Crestway in Yarnell Arizona in Google
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Earth you can see the street view this
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is a view of Sesame Street to you stoic
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storage on Highway 89 the fire you see
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is out by the Harper Canyon area the
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gray roof of the Presbyterian Church as
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it was on the Yarnell June 30th 2013 is
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on the middle right this is a view of
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Yarnell fire Behavior Arizona State
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forestry public records and then in
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figure nine we have Sean kreiner took
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these photos on June 30th 2013 he texted
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them to carry templin public information
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officers for the accident investigation
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team with the following descriptions and
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he has 1 through 18 two three four five
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six and eight nine all the way to 18 and
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he has Mountain there through one
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through eleven twelve through 18 is a
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check the flag and the devil faces after
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the wind change and headed back to
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Yarnell number 13 is taking that
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mountain there number 14 is back in
17:40
Yarnell above the hardware store fire
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headed to town number 15 is still above
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the hardware store looking back towards
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people's Valley photo with the church
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steeple number 16 is neighbor's front
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yard in glenel on Candy Cane Lane number
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17 is down at the arrowhead after I
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evacuated looking at the Yarnell and
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number 18 watching Glen Ella burn from
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the arrowhead
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those are the screenshots that were
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taken and the index log for the Sean
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kreiner the photo above and figure eight
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is a photo 14 of 18. if you go to Google
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Earth and search the table top in
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Crestway Street and yarn out you will
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note the angle and direction of plume
18:15
shows the view of Sesame Street to
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Shrine road to right behind the eustoid
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area Arizona State forestry public
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records in figure 10 it's my joy colors
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photo the Granite Mountain HotShots
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going up the mountain that was the last
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civilian hiker to see and speak with
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them and the did the late afternoon June
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30th 2013 street Sesame Street and the
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shrine fire Behavior smoke plumes
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influence structure loss and Granite
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Mountain Hotshot fatalities that's the
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question
18:43
the separate and distinct smoke calms
18:46
from a wildlands firefighter perspective
18:48
indicate the possibility of evidence of
18:51
a deliberate firing operation because of
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their spacing from adjacent columns size
18:56
and smoke color these separate and
18:58
distinct smoke homes are clearly not
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spot fires now remember Christians in
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quote statement to crotenberg above that
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should be emphasized coming from an
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experienced wildland firefighter I was
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wondering if the southerly plumes were
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the ones that expanded to take out the
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firefighters and attack Glen Isla where
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there is no counsel the people fall but
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in the multitude of counselors there is
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safety Proverbs 11 14 we have an image
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where it says where there is no Guidance
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the people fall but in abundance of the
19:31
counselor there is a victory Proverbs 11
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14 as well as the scripture the website
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was reviewed on July 19 2018 at 1 45 PM
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the updates were to ensure that figure
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captions it had uniformity and figure
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Seven original who wants to know truth
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commentary text relocated and then we
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had just switched everything put the
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hashtags on there this used to be post
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number two but now it has been moved uh
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and it's on September 21st uh 2023 after
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Fred's bio the petition Joy's bio so
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this is now the post four in moving the
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Articles to the top and then Joy my
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journals will be to the bottom the order
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has changed from its original position
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based on we want to have the Articles
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and post first and then my journals at
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the bottom and and mainly because uh
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when we see people going there it's
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confusing because everything was all
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muddled together that's the number one
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thing number two the thievery I've seen
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in the past a month uh if you have to go
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down and dig for it into my journals
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then that means you're on to some kind
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of agenda or smear campaign or something
20:46
right now we're going to put all the
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Articles uh up front and then my
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journals down below and that means if
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you're going way down you're digging
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down deep and you're up to something and
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that's no good I have a right of freedom
20:58
of speech to speak my testimony my
21:01
testimony with documents to lead to a
21:03
conclusion and unfortunately we
21:06
historically have seen not just on
21:08
Yarnell fire but other fires what they
21:10
do is get a conclusion and then try to
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fill in the gaps from there I'm telling
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you right now there's missing crucial
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information at the Arizona archives
21:19
Library and I asked for an audit it
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doesn't look it's just I'm disregarded
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Sean and you know when is there going to
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be accountability
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um what is permanent I've even asked
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what is permanent records what do they
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consider to be permanent records I think
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what happened is they didn't think uh
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God
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I don't know what they are thinking and
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I'm not going to guess or estimate or um
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but I will allege that they didn't
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expect me to be on those Weaver
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mountains and have the tenacity that I
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have to carry this out to the end uh to
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make sure the truth is told uh why I
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almost died but 19 men did and I and I'm
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really really uh a feeling for you guys
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who feel that oh well we don't want them
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to know it that way we're good and
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comfortable in how it is right now it we
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did it we locked it in for over 10 years
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now
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um I know a lot of stuff back channel so
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yeah
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that ain't gonna work that way I'm
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trying to do the best way in God's grace
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and and God's mercy on how to put this
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out right you know I could a long time
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ago shut and done this but I'm following
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God's lead and it can be frustrating
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just as Gary Olsen has said he gets
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tired of the breadcrumbing well you know
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what I get tired of uh
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the lies defamation omissions everything
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slander so many bogus things so you get
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what you get if you know what I'm saying
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I have everything uh done right in the
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public at large eye because I'm doing
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everything back Channel and until it's
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completed but I'm thinking about putting
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some of the drafts in public thing and
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just be a work in progress as it's been
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LED and told to me that I'm allowed to
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do from people who are representing me
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so I want to say God bless this is uh
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post four and I'll make a YouTube video
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so that people that want to go to sleep
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a good way to just go and there you go I
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I spoke out post four for you this is
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what it is you know and have a good one
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