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Video 69:
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so I want to do some uh YouTube uh
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videos uh in regards to the Yarnell Hill
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fire Revelations blog kind of doing an
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audio recording of some of the posts to
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kind of get people to feel the flow of
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why the post was made or whatever
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there's just a rambling uh Chit Chat
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kind of thing so we're gonna start with
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Fred Scheffler yeah on the 21st of
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September I uh made a Fred John shuffler
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bio taken information from the blog and
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in his 10
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project 10 and 18 International website
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Mission or about him page and brought it
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over to a section called Fred John
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shelfire's bio on Yarnell
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hillfirerevelations.com and I just want
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to kind of go over how I know Fred John
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sheffler Fred J sheffler Robert II RTS
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Robert eventually the second due to
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being their two robbers on investigative
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media The Forum that John dotterly
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created back in 2013 after the Yarnell
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fire he's a former United States Forest
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Service Hot Shot crew superintendent
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at that time he's had a long many many
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many decades of Wildland fire experience
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in the leadership role and he was really
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uh
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big on the 10 and 18 the 10 standard
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firefighting orders and the 18 watch
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outs which she says there's 19 because
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the death from above well he began
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in his words on the death learning about
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it and then started delving into it from
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July 1st 2013 and he went on to
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investigate media on July 30th 2013. and
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then you'll see Robert Bob Powers who's
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a former United States Forest Service
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Hot Shot Foreman who also had lost his
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father in the July 1953 rattlesnake fire
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I'm Californians and so on September 2nd
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2013 uh you'll see Bob Powers also
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posting on the 10 standard fire orders
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and as I told you in Prior videos uh
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Gary l Olson a former United States for
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Forest Service Hot Shot crew
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superintendent of two hot shot Crews and
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retired as a BLM special agent law
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enforcement officer I'm not going to
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give you the long description but the
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United States Forest Service would love
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that because they love that on resumes
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but um he began on September 10 2013
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with his emotional views on some of the
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Yarnell fire incident management team in
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the overhead and so then on investigate
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media you would see tick Sonny Gilligan
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AKA Charlie he's one of the Yarnell Hill
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fire hikers along with me and the
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eyewitness he's very Irish he has a PHD
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he's a hard rock Miner he's a cowboy
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he's a logger he's a mucker and a bad
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mother survey player he was also Reno
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Nevada taxi driver he was a parole
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officer in The Outlaw at the same and a
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former Saloon owner here in Arizona and
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among other things he began posting on
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October 15 2013 on investigate media
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about getting the facts out there and he
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really wanted because outside there
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because the standard investigation he
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wasn't pleased with and I want to very
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much tell people I was very private and
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he really even the FBI or anybody you're
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going to find very minimal uh
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interactions of or anything online
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before Yarnell fire 2013 because in
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person kind of person and it was sunny
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on June 30th 2013. take this photo take
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that photo at the evacuation that
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evening hey show him your photo show
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them this so Sunny is the one that
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wanted to push for getting the facts out
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there outside the standard investigation
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from day one and so that's Sunny's
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involvement and one of the amazing
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people uh it's I equally uh compared to
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Tom's story uh is once who wants wants
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to know the truth
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wtkt uh an anonymous ingenious poster
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that has proven to be a huge asset
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regarding data and metadata and a
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beautiful Council for me uh start
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posting on October 21st 2013 regarding
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the inaccuracies ineptness of the
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serious accident investigation team in
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the report and so it goes on and on so I
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just want to briefly tell you that
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beginning of Fred John Scheffler the
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rest is in uh the blog with his
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background his resumes in there I will
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tell you until the day we passed uh
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either one of us passes on we'll be
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continued to do this uh putting our
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freedom of speech out there uh putting
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documents to lead to a conclusion versus
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the glaze narratives and so again just
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go ahead he's got a very lengthy resume
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uh and background in wild and fire
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and so just go ahead and take yourself
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take some time and look at that I will
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tell you that he has been not just a
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professional uh person in my life he's
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been a personal person to my life and uh
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he's done so much for
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myself and for uh lessening Wildland
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fire fatalities and uh he's an excellent
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uh person in doing that I challenge him
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we Clash at times but that's just our
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personas you know like that's what I I
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don't have a dislike for the man or
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anything it's just who we are uh and so
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he bought some land up in Yarnell uh
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Arizona where the fatalities happen so
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he's not that far off from the
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deployment Zone his land and if you can
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do anything go to the project 10 and 18
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International learn more about that
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mission and uh I know he's not one to
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like ask for donations or stuff but a
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lot of funds have been put out to do the
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difficult right thing on that land and a
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lot of people don't know what even
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happened on that land so it's going to
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be interesting as time unfolds we spent
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10 years Gathering uh information and
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now we're releasing it I had a journal
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for 10 years did bits of my life and now
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it's gonna get real serious on what's
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going unfold is all the documents all
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the documents are going to be lined up
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from June 28th until the end of the fire
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and and put everything in the
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chronological files and put it out
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because it's all been scattered and
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layered and glazed in so many different
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ways so that's kind of where we're at
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and I that's about it I'm here to reduce
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inevitable wildland firefighter
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fatalities through complete Lessons
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Learned
Video 70:
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I didn't realize that last one had cut
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out so I have to make a a new one it
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actually set out of usage you know for
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my phone uh so I have to create a new
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one delete the other so in addition to
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all the stuff I just said above about
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the Kestrel and all that uh one of the
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number one top and I say this top
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conferences I look forward to every year
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except for the fifth anniversary when I
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was uh actually being back channeled
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with some defamation and uh slander
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liability and lies and omissions uh but
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that was because they were doing their
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thing and God bless them but it still
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created one year I was like hm this is
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weird and I'm putting myself in that
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position so anyways my number one place
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I want you everybody to support and uh
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be a part of go there you don't have to
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be a firefighter to go uh definitely if
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you're a public information officer uh
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highly recommend you go into it it's
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called The Southern California
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Association of Foresters and fire
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wardens and I can tell you that it's one
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of the top ones I look forward to
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unfortunately I did not go this year
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because on April 10th 2023 I was in a
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major vehicle collision and I was not
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about to get back into a vehicle and
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still
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not an ease moment I have not been in a
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vehicle since June 30th 2023 if that
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tells you anything of my recovery so
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going further highly suggest donate
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support Southern California Association
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of Forester and fire wardens uh and
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their conferences uh attend it be a part
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of it uh donate and highly recommend it
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quality people there always been good to
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me except for that one year when someone
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else was manipulating uh their moment
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there so again uh Wildland Urban
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interface um Mark light and Lisa Yonkers
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uh gave me a certificate uh and for
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Wildland Urban interface uh for the
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conference at the Peppermill Resort in
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casino and Reno uh Nevada in 2019
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unfortunately I was actually at a smoky
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bear Museum in New Mexico uh signing
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their guest book at that very date on
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March 23rd and so that was thank you but
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wasn't present and I was going to be
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present but I ended up going to the uh
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investigative academy uh so here we go
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we're going forther uh forward I was had
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a really D bad bad bad dog bite in 2019
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in May and moments after that dog bite
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what does Joy do CU Joy has what
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perseverance moves forward tenacity
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never it's like the ever ready bunny
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just keeps on going going and I went to
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matit how do you say it mati matius
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Wyoming for a little Venus staff ride
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host guide by Granite Mountain Hot Shots
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uh Dustin deford's brother Ryan Deford
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excellent host guide highly recommend
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the little Venus staff ride with Ry De
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Ford as your host please go and uh look
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at it up so I want you guys to know I'm
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very I I know more than I speak and I
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keep in mind I'm very Savvy in fire
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weather and other areas and and one day
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I want you to know how important it is
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when I become and and I'm not doing as a
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professional uh this is more in research
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a fire andlaw investigator with forensic
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weather my documents uh are very crucial
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uh because it's not just a volumous uh
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thing that's outstanding of more data
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than is at currently the Arizona State
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archives library on the Arnell fire 2013
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I have the most documentation in the
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world when it comes to that fire and I
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also have the firsthand testimonies uh
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of firefighters from that fire from 2016
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fire from historically significant fires
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from the past all the way going many
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many many decades back and our whole
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goal is to have complete Lessons Learned
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based on documented truth of what
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happened not someone's story and other
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people has said that I am Pro projecting
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or giving out
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uh lies and it's I give you documented
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facts for you to do your own assessment
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for you to take it and everybody has
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different lifestyle of different
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backgrounds different roles for example
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I'm the eyewitness I was on the Weaver
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mountains I was with the grand Mountain
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Hot Shots on the Weaver mountains on
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June 30th 2013 so my role is going to be
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different than a grieving widow or
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family member and their role however in
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the past 10 plus years I have seen
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people like whisper you know I want to
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be I want you to know I support you and
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and and yet but don't tell don't tell
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anybody you know me or and it's always
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in a whispering format I'm a
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straightforward person you know come to
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me in person and know me and and be
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direct no Whispering no I I think the
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Fear Factor has been created that these
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people don't have the fluidity to you
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know be you know want to be my friend or
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be around me I'm not looking for friends
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list I'm not looking for follower list
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I'm not looking for social influencer
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list I'm here doing my role as the
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eyewitness put out the documented facts
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to lead to a inclusion versus the glaze
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narrative that I was fed and you too so
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I want to explain to you that the only
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person I've trusted from day one till
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now is Dr Ted pman the retired fire
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fatality investigative expert he showed
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me proper tools and he he is one of the
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best people in this world I can tell you
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and and he's
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sharp when he speaks you listen that's
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the kind of guy he is so when he shared
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to me all the different investigations
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he's been a part I listen and I take it
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very seriously those lives that have
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been lost and I will refuse to accept a
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culture that brainwashes that it's
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acceptable to avoid focusing to human
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elements after such a huge
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tragedy I've done my precourse work for
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the nfri learning from unintended
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outcomes the l f the fla Workshop fla
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Workshop I see what's happening right
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now I see who and why people were picked
6:34
on the SATs are I get it I see how
6:38
people are trained I look at their
6:40
Master records their red card records
6:43
their certificates their test books and
6:45
I see who's being pencil whipped in I
6:48
see the nepotism and cronyism that has
6:51
happened over time because I own the
6:54
records but I'm looking forward someday
6:56
and hopefully as we go into this process
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that we have a strong strong get rid of
7:05
those words of evolve in luck and make
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the system work again or it did it ever
7:12
I question because if you keep the
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current a AR the RLS the flas the CRPS
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you'll see it fails in a huge way I want
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to help bridge the systems and get trust
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built back in the fire industry so I
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want you guys to know that as we go
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forward my how did I learn about being
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an investigator no it wasn't Dr Ted pman
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it was when PJ lingley and his
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co-instructors that year when I became a
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firefighter 2 at the Wildland fire
7:43
incident Academy over at Embry Riddle in
7:46
Prescot Arizona it was when he said at
7:49
lunchtime I want want all of you to go
7:51
and touch somebody that has a a burgundy
7:54
shirt I want you to talk to them and
7:55
then come back to class and tell me what
7:57
you learned tell tell us the process and
8:00
at the end of my lunch I said I grabbed
8:02
someone from Bravo and Charlie and I
8:04
said I'm Alpha uh our you know crew and
8:08
in class and so I grabbed two and and I
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met up with William L had no clue who
8:14
the guy was I just happened to be
8:15
throwing my garbage out and I sat there
8:18
cuz he was near the garbage area and so
8:21
I sat there and he was a fire
8:23
investigator current and and I was like
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okay so I talked to him I wrote a bunch
8:28
of stuff down you know that he was a
8:30
investigator he came from Golder Ranch
8:32
district and I was like great you know
8:34
so it's all God L and the next person
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you know I was like I was interested to
8:41
understand uh was Brian lobber he was
8:43
the next one I I sat down and talked to
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my mentor in Wildland fire is the
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Shadows Believe It or Not of the very
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fire I was the that had the
8:55
investigation process that's my mentor
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I'm on a contract so I can't disclose
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who it is but that's God that's not me
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God wanted me to meet that person to
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understand all areas so you know it's
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tough to hear that when you hear all the
9:12
different things and you know I started
9:14
with the blog best G media and again
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you'll see my testimony and how I even
9:18
became and got to that point and so when
9:21
you go there you're going to understand
9:24
this is not easy it's it's a very uh sad
9:28
uh situation um my fire path in this
9:31
journal in this blog I um want to talk
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about someone that always teased me and
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that's retired Gary Olsen like I said
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he's United States Forest Service
9:41
wildland firefighter he was Prescot
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National Forest he was Hot Shot crew
9:45
boss of the Happy Jack inter agency Hot
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Shot crew he was on the cocanina
9:50
National Force he was a hot shot crew
9:52
founder he was crew boss of the Santa Fe
9:54
inter agency Hot Shot Crew He was Santa
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Fe National Force he was assistant
9:59
direct fire management officer of the
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Espanola ranger district he was a Santa
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National Forest Santa feay National
10:07
Forest dispatcher Zone inter agency fire
10:09
operations center coordinator cocanina
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County deputy sheriff Santa Fe National
10:15
Forest chief law enforcement officer
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retired supervis supervisory criminal
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investigator senior specialist agent BLM
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New Mexico BLM Arizona State office and
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us SDI BLM Washington DC office of law
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enforcement and security 1974 to 2006
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Duty stations pret Arizona Flagstaff
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Santa Fe New Mexico Phoenix Arizona
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Albuquerque New Mexico Farmington New
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Mexico Phoenix Arizona Gary has always
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always picked on me and it was nice to
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get this message on January 1st 2020 at
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12:39 p.m. on vesc media he says oh and
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one more thing Joy you know I was
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teasing you about being the kind of
11:00
student who button holes instructors
11:03
during breaks and at the end of the day
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right one reason being an instructor so
11:07
hard is because most of the people
11:09
attending the training are dead heads
11:11
who just sit there like bumps on a log
11:14
wishing the training was over and never
11:16
ask a question or get engaged in the
11:18
process trainees students attendees like
11:22
you are Priceless because you want to be
11:25
there you want to learn you get engaged
11:28
you ask ask the questions others would
11:30
like to ask but are afraid to just in
11:32
case they might look dumb or they can't
11:35
they can't take even very limited public
11:38
speaking even though it makes the class
11:40
look so much more interesting and the
11:42
time go by quicker so please keep up the
11:45
good work you're an you're on an amazing
11:47
journey I have no idea where you're
11:49
going but it sounds like you do Gary I
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want to let you know God has the plan I
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am just listening to him in the Holy
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Spirit
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this has nothing to do with me but I can
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tell you there's been much spiritual
12:03
warfare since youn alire 2013 because I
12:07
followed his plan so when I was affected
12:10
with that dog bite and it still affects
12:12
me all this time later just so you know
12:15
the leg's not the same but I already had
12:17
leg issues so I want to let you guys
12:20
know this that when you go back and look
12:23
and I shake my head because so many out
12:26
of sort things were happening externally
12:28
it's like a Twilight Zone and so when I
12:31
went to MOA New Mexico and I was at the
12:33
hatcha cafe uh from 642 to 7:18 and that
12:37
next morning I met up with a billionaire
12:39
H for a private sector RX burn I refused
12:43
that assignment that day you do you know
12:45
why I don't think it was wise to get
12:47
involved especially with the red flag
12:50
warnings and when I speak about red flag
12:52
warnings all I can think about is C's RX
12:56
that burn and what happened plenty of
12:58
red flag warnings for the RX burn on C's
13:01
RX and it's been my focus in between
13:04
training in between conferences to get
13:06
formally investigated that and I really
13:10
feel there should be some accountability
13:12
on that fire that happened and I just
13:14
want to hashtag J Kurth uh you know his
13:17
professional backyard and that matters
13:19
you should refrain from dropping
13:20
[ __ ] in main Regional watersheds of
13:24
California it is very serious and I'm
13:27
really tired of it being ignored
13:29
the red flag warnings were there and
13:31
still there go back to the Idaho Beaver
13:34
Creek of 2013 in August you go look at
13:37
where the retardant drop and you can
13:39
still look on uh certain areas to figure
13:41
that out so as we go further uh we're
13:45
getting into 2020 on my background and
13:48
so I a girl uh had I met at Santa uh Hot
13:54
Shots she had told me to go to the
13:56
Wildland fire origin and cause
13:58
determination class cuz she was going I
14:00
was like okay she gave me the she gave
14:02
me the contact information and she's a
14:05
woman in fire instructor so I said okay
14:08
I'll I'll look at it and she said um May
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wear in this illuminate you in darkness
14:14
as a beacon of light and shield you in
14:16
love light and Grace as you continue on
14:19
your journey in this lifetime desert
14:20
Walker and so then I go ahead and I'm
14:23
get in there do the precourse stuff for
14:27
uh Tiffany uh fry um of SB WFA and so
14:31
then at the Sierra Sierra Blanca
14:34
Wildland Fire Academy over in New Mexico
14:38
I December of 2019 apply and do the
14:42
accept and I get an acceptance letter
14:44
December 9th 2019 and so I'm like okay
14:47
everything's good and so the certificate
14:51
uh tells me what I'm supposed to have
14:52
what I'm supposed to do but then it
14:55
changes so as it's changing I'm they all
14:59
know I want to go to that superintendent
15:01
staff ride in 2020 when it's going to
15:03
happen right which is the same week as
15:05
this investigation school over in New
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Mexico so I get a a letter January 8
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2020 telling me we regret to inform you
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your nomination at the 2020 Sierra
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Blanca wildfire wildfire Academy
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Wildland fire origin and cause
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determination course was not accepted
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yeah this determination is based on I'm
15:28
not being affiliated with any federal
15:30
state law or tribal government with
15:32
Wildland fire responsibilities and and
15:34
gave some other additional and you can
15:36
go on the blog to see that but I
15:37
countered it and I explained the
15:40
situation and and in my counter I was
15:43
then accepted so on January 21st 2020
15:47
upon further consideration they accepted
15:50
my application and then I went to that
15:53
uh course that was a really hard year
15:55
people I mean it seems like uh spiritual
15:58
warfare cuz every time I'm about to
16:00
ready to go to these courses something
16:02
in my health goes wrong and so I'm going
16:05
to these classes or courses unwell and
16:09
and that's not good but I'm trying to
16:11
learn information gain knowledge learn
16:14
the whole system uh on many levels you
16:17
know from the ground boots on the ground
16:19
all the way up to the high to fiscal the
16:21
regions the you got to remember each
16:23
region is differently uh set up fiscally
16:25
you know so it's not that that same year
16:29
I lost my my heart man I lost my uh
16:32
father-in-law and that was a big loss
16:34
for our family cuz he was uh a big big
16:38
portion to all our lives and stuff so I
16:41
didn't really want to go cuz I was
16:42
grieving and uh when you lose someone
16:45
that's significant u in your daily it's
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really sad and so I ended up going in
16:51
that February and and and uh when I'm
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there and successfully uh February 10th
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uh to uh February 14th when they handed
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me this certificate it's probably one of
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the first certificates I got that were
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and most of them were done on card stock
17:06
my mind was done like it was just
17:07
printed off like real cheap paper so I
17:10
was like hey I guess I they don't know I
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I know my value and my worth but anyways
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so we go on to Cloud craftt New Mexico
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and uh one of the classes didn't have
17:20
enough students and that was the s290
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and so the money that I was supposed to
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get refunded I gave it to the Sparky
17:26
fund for cloud craftt New Mexico so and
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the uh class that I completed the
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courses 100% uh with the instructor Paul
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Garcia who was from Sacramento Hot Shot
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uh he they all followed the nwcg
17:42
guidelines and I would give an excellent
17:44
evaluation uh to them and I also went to
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uh Matthew ni cousin of Ted Mason by the
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way uh you see him on all the training
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videos with Paul Hefner and all that
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stuff so um early on those are all
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retired people now so as I'm going to uh
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the class at the Sacramento Mountain
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Wildfire Academy and get my refresher as
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well uh I just want you guys to know
18:10
when I got the
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s230 uh crew boss again we had to do it
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as an audit and uh unit uh subject
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matter expert on the fire on only based
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on because the lack of students uh on
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the other one for s290 so we just got
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this certificate as an audit so as we go
18:29
further and we got the s231 is a single
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resource Eng gym boss and again because
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I didn't do the s290 which I was
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assigned for but I took that money and
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gave it to the Sparky fund which I
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highly recommend for anybody to do uh
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I'll give you their PO Box soon so
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anyways I go ahead and I do the single
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resource engine boss as an audit for the
18:51
same reason I just told you but I went
18:54
ahead and I was a what do you call that
18:56
the wildland firefighter certified and
18:58
at that point I went to the advanced
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firefighter type one so I became a
19:03
wildland firefighter certified and again
19:06
uh that was over no task book has been
19:09
filled or no task book has been open I
19:12
have the blank task books because um my
19:15
health hello and my age you know so age
19:18
is never a factor for me but it is a
19:20
contributing uh reason why uh I don't
19:23
get into certain areas I could get into
19:25
some areas and been offered I refuse uh
19:28
because I'm in this for a different
19:29
reason and so uh I had that same year uh
19:33
a few weeks later came back from New
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Mexico went to and I just heard the bad
19:38
news so remember I had the bite in 2019
19:41
my legs are getting worse I'm getting
19:43
really bad news on my legs uh I'm at the
19:46
Arizona wildfire Academy at the am
19:48
riddle uh Brian lobber Jake guina
19:51
they're my Jake wadina is my actual
19:54
instructor and and Brian used to be and
19:56
he's still present you know Co
19:58
instructed on the m410 facilitative
20:01
instructor March 2020 and so I got
20:03
certified and it what was interesting is
20:06
that class I did know that my
20:09
instructors were part of the rnl fire
20:12
and but I didn't want to show up each
20:14
day because I didn't feel well and like
20:16
I said every time I go to a course
20:18
that's the spiritual warfare that I was
20:20
getting but I did get certified now that
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you again that's coid 19 2021 everybody
20:28
knows everything was turned off because
20:30
of mask and this and all the stuff uh
20:33
whatever the you want to call it
20:34
propaganda political doesn't matter I
20:37
didn't have any courses ex except they
20:39
allowed the refresher course to take
20:41
place and then in
20:43
2022 because of I had us um signed up in
20:46
2021 for the heavy equipment boss they
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refreshed it into 2022 I did my
20:52
refresher course and as well uh shout
20:55
out to Mike and and Tom uh Morgan uh for
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all their hard they're they are
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exceptional uh two men who put out a
21:06
good product um in teaching you on how
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to be a heavy equipment boss great great
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great course highly recommend that class
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and then I did my refresher with Ted
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Herbert uh he's a private contractor I
21:19
did it in 2023 and 2022 with him uh so
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uh let's see trying to think what else
21:29
I don't know if 2022 or 2021 with him
21:32
but I know I have had him twice already
21:34
but remember NE like Tom story said he
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said never stand if you can sit never
21:40
sit if you can lay down and never stay
21:42
awake if you can sleep and and that's
21:45
one of the things people have to realize
21:47
in this all
21:49
that Tom
21:51
story beautiful beautiful uh to look at
21:55
his photos because they truly tell a
21:57
story if you look at his photos uh on
22:01
there too many I mean I I I just applaud
22:06
this man for being alive and and looking
22:08
at his photos I wish one day I can look
22:10
at more photos you know me especially on
22:13
Yarnell fire 2013 however I'm sure the
22:16
man is still processing the many decades
22:19
ago Dude fire you know and it's
22:22
interesting when we think about Tom's
22:23
story uh when he was over photographing
22:26
the ranch story on that June 24th 25th
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in 1990 and temperatures were what 122
22:33
and uh you think about uh on that way
22:36
back to Phoenix uh I bet you his
22:39
interest in shooting Wildland fire Pho
22:41
fire photos got stronger after that uh
22:46
because when you think about that moment
22:48
in the Bonita Creek Estates the private
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land inside that National Forest
22:52
boundaries and when you're next to that
22:54
and you see all the stuff you see and
22:56
you when when there's firefighting ERS
22:58
are setting up to protect a burnout
22:59
operation and you see that with the
23:01
Flathead and the zigzag Hot Shots the
23:04
area that they burned out and all that
23:06
stuff on the Corner House and the Bonita
23:08
I mean go do a staff ride with Fred
23:10
sheffler on the dude fire and I'll
23:13
guarantee you you want to have somebody
23:15
else there no he's real raw but anyways
23:19
God bless Tom's story because he tells
23:21
the story through his photos throughout
23:23
the decades and I want to thank him I
23:25
truly appreciate Tom story and his work
23:27
it's it's been a a delight to watch uh
23:30
over the time uh you know it's it's
23:33
really a thing I strongly want to
23:36
express is that there's so many
23:38
firefighters since Yarnell fire 2013 I I
23:41
bet you guys don't understand how I
23:44
could have thrown so many people under
23:46
the bus I ain't that kind of
23:48
chick I definitely have been the biggest
23:52
sponge in Wildland and I bet you I'm
23:55
bigger sponge than Vicky Miner and Burke
23:57
Miner and the fact that what what's the
24:01
fact that those people are helping them
24:04
to help them get a service or something
24:08
I'm not here to do any help I'm here to
24:11
listen I'm here for those close calls
24:13
I'm there for the survivors the ones
24:15
that nearly died on a how many Dozer
24:19
guys uh tell me about their Dozer line
24:21
on a Ridgetop and they're planed for
24:23
that day and then what happens on the
24:25
aerial or the on the ground ignition
24:28
and and how many close calls I I am the
24:31
hugest and I can say that probably with
24:33
a guarantee the hugest sponge of data
24:38
from firsthand firefighters and their uh
24:42
experiences I'm not looking to do a book
24:45
or a movie from your experiences I'm
24:47
looking to get due diligence to cover
24:49
the needs to get the changes made to any
24:52
and all crucial wild and fire
24:54
information get it out there and and do
24:56
something I'm not in it and I guarantee
24:58
you 100% never will I do a book or a
25:01
movie never will I do anything made for
25:05
profit when it comes to Wildland fire
25:07
and the fire industry I'm in it because
25:10
you got a blank page right here how are
25:12
we going to build and comprehend the
25:14
capacity of that blank page I'm thinking
25:17
how can I blank start when I have lived
25:19
many lives already I mean my old hik and
25:22
pal we we stayed the course even when
25:25
things were foreign for both of us the
25:28
basic natural and organic freedoms that
25:29
we grew up with have been perverted and
25:32
so they no longer are
25:38
available wow that's
25:41
interesting sorry I just
25:44
realized that my camera is on and I
25:46
didn't know all this time I thought I
25:49
was on video but I just learned I look
25:51
down and it's black so that's funny all
25:53
these times I've been talking and I just
25:55
realize anyways um it's quite daunting
25:58
the fact that the only person I want to
26:00
be the author to my life is God I don't
26:03
need a Ghost Rider I don't need a
26:05
director or publisher I don't need the
26:08
media which the media has done very
26:11
Injustice unfair things in my opinion my
26:13
humble opinion and why because they have
26:17
an editor yeah and so that's sad someone
26:22
you know see was recently tell me how
26:24
I've been unfairly judged in all this
26:27
amen to that brother amen to that sister
26:29
and I find myself thinking that over and
26:31
over at times but God's going to work it
26:34
out and I'm will always be true and I
26:36
will always give you the truth and I
26:39
will always be here and I will always be
26:41
here for the public at large where other
26:44
people want to
26:45
go that bewilders me the confusion that
26:49
other people want to put into your minds
26:50
about me
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